| Aug-05-04 | | acirce: Radjabov should certainly not have won this game, 35..Nxb4?? |
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| Dec-02-04 | | Jafar219: hey acirice if Magnus won this game you would tell that he It is perfect win from 13 years old Scandinavian prodigy.:) |
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| Dec-02-04 | | drukenknight: acirce what about after move 35, what if 39...c4? |
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| Dec-02-04 | | acirce: <drukenknight> Well, what about it? Black is still down a piece. 40.e5 and he doesn't even have ..Ra8 |
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| Dec-02-04 | | CHEG: Black doesn't have anywhere to put his Knight, not moving his knight subjects it to two different pins. Nxb4 at least gives black two passed pawns. |
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| Dec-02-04 | | drukenknight: I kind of agree w/ Cheg, I am trying to work with the passed pawn and the pin here after 40 e5 (which stops the RxB sack). Hmm... |
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| Dec-02-04 | | drukenknight: okay acirce: 40...Rc8 |
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Dec-02-04
 | | beatgiant: <CHEG>:
<Black doesn't have anywhere to put his Knight, not moving his knight subjects it to two different pins. Nxb4 at least gives black two passed pawns.>He could escape with 35...c5 .
<drukenknight>:
I agree with <acirce>. After 39...c4, Black is a piece down, his pawn is stopped, and he has no prospects of threatening anything. White can play 40. e5 ♖c8 41. ♖b7 planning to continue with 42. ♗d5 , etc. The position would become a matter of endgame technique and not tactical lines. |
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| Dec-02-04 | | drukenknight: When they say: "The position would become a matter of endgame technique and not tactical lines." Really means: "I cant be bothered to actually play this out." 41 Rb7 Ra8 and black gets in his Ra8 anyhow? |
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Dec-02-04
| | beatgiant: <Really means: "I cant be bothered to actually play this out."> Yes, but the reason is that there isn't much of interest after one side already has a decisive advantage. <41 Rb7 Ra8 and black gets in his Ra8 anyhow?> That allows a rook trade with 42. ♖b1 discovering attack on the Ra8. |
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| Dec-02-04 | | drukenknight: Well you say its decisive but we'd like to see some proof. I am hoping the pin and the passed pawn is enuf compensation, but trying to figure that out at the moment? |
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| Dec-02-04 | | drukenknight: bg: 42. Rb1 Rxb1 43. Bxa8 Rb3; Timman is already thanking you... |
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Dec-04-04
| | beatgiant: <we'd like to see some proof. I am hoping the pin and the passed pawn is enuf compensation> Fair enough. As an untitled retired club player, obviously my endgame technique is not as good as these GM's, so it can't hurt to practice this win. <42. Rb1 Rxb1 43. Bxa8 Rb3; Timman is already thanking you...> I'm not sure why, since Black's still struggling for a draw at best in that position, when you claimed it was a draw all along. But you've inspired me to study this and give a more careful sample line for White showing how to
break the pin and neutralize the passed pawn.
39...c4 40. e5 ♖c8 41. ♗f3 ♖a1 42. ♖b2 ♖d8 43. h4 ♔f8 44. ♔g2 ♔e7 45. ♗e2 ♗xe2 46. ♖xe2 ♖a5 47. ♖ec2 ♖c8 48. ♘f3 ♔e6 49. ♘d2 ♔d5 50. ♔f3 h5 51. ♘xc4 ♖axc4 52. ♖xc4 ♖xc4 53. ♖xc4 ♔xc4 54. ♔e4 ♔c5 55. e6 , and now surely even you will admit White's winning. Feel free to post any resources you see for Black to prevent this kind of plan. |
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| Dec-04-04 | | CHEG: <beatgiant>: <He could escape with 35...c5 > White counters bxc5.
..and now blacks queenside pawns are very weak. |
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| Dec-04-04 | | acirce: The right move was 35..Rxe4  36.b5 Bb7! |
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| Dec-04-04 | | CHEG: <acirce> <The right move was 35..Rxe4 36.b5 Bb7! >
Agreed! 35 Rxe4! 36.b5 Bb7! is best move gaining another pawn. If 36 Ne5 Re1+ 37 Rxe1 Nxe1 38 Nxc7 Nxb2 and black is soon up three pawns. If 36.b5 Bb7! 37 Ne5 Nxe5 38 Bxe4 Bxe4+ Forking the Rook and King. |
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| Dec-04-04 | | drukenknight: that's a nice call...I'll have to check out the 39...c4 line later, but acirce's call seems to make sense. |
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Dec-04-04
| | beatgiant: <CHEG>:
<He could escape with 35...c5 ><White counters bxc5.
..and now blacks queenside pawns are very weak.> Even if White wins a pawn, it leads to an ending of 4 pawns vs. 3 on the same side of the board with a lot of pieces remaining. That kind of ending is a book draw even if each side has only one piece remaining. That's certainly a far cry from losing a piece as in the game. |
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Dec-04-04
| | beatgiant: Yes, it looks like Black can get away with 35...♖xe4 36. b5 ♗b7 winning a pawn. The best I can find then for White is 37. ♔g1 ♖e3 38. ♘e5 ♘xe5 39. ♗xb7 and now White's struggling for a draw. Good find, <acirce>! |
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| Jan-01-05 | | PinkPanther: <jafar219>
You're probably right about that. |
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| Oct-06-11 | | Xeroxx: Whats the deal with Nxb4? |
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| Jun-27-17 | | Flemming: In Sosonoko's book "Smart Chip frpm St. Petersburg" Timman confessed that he couldn't sleep for the rest of the tournament" after he ruined won position in this game. |
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Jul-11-20
 | | plang: 12..a5 had been played several times prior to this game; 12..Qe7 was new. Black equalized without much effort and after 20 f4?! White's e4 was a weakness; 20 f3 would have been better. 23 Re2? was a tactical oversight leaving Black in control. Timman could have capped his fine play with with 35..Rxe4 36 b5..Bb7 37 Ne5..Nxe5 38 fxe..Rb4 winning easily but instead... Timman had just an awful tournament finishing last with -8 and this game represented the low point. |
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Kibitzing
sac: 41.Rxd3