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| Jan-02-05 | | ptown: tamar; I meant rook to c8 not d8. |
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| Jan-02-05 | | ptown: <tamar> ptown again; If Garry saw 37 f3 Qb7 and 38 Qb1 Rf7 why is the Knight on e7 lost if white then plays Ra7 threatening the Queen. I'm no expert but I would like to see the moves in which white loses the Knight. Maybe I'm missing something!! |
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| Jan-02-05 | | ptown: <tamar> typo error:I meant Qa1 not Qb1 in my last message |
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Jan-02-05
 | | tamar: <ptown> There are a few more tricks I see, but Black always wins because f3 exposes the King. All Black has to do is find tactics to cover the c6 square and the knight has no exit. Plus Ivanchuk is already a pawn up. 37 f3 Qb7 38 Qa1 Rf7 39 Ra7 Qb4 40 Nc6 Qc5+ picks up the knight, or 37 f3 Qb7 38 Qc5 Rf7 39 Nc6 Rc7 40 Na5 Qb1+ wins the queen. By the way, most of these games are not live, but archived. Chessgames shows live games on occasion which generate pages of comment and analysis. |
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| Jan-02-05 | | sandyobrien: or <tamar> and <ptown> another possible line 40. g3 Nxa3+ 41. Kg2 Ng5 but here, if white plays anything but 42. Qa3, black simply takes the knight on e7 right away |
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Jan-02-05
| | tamar: <ptown> Oops. I was trying to analyse from the final diagram. Now I see what you mean. 37 f3 Qb7 38 Qc5 Rf7 39 Ra7! and although Black is still winning with 39...Qb1+, the knight is not immediately lost. So Ivanchuk would have no doubt switched to a mate threat after 37 f3 Qb7 38 Qc5 with 38...Qb2 when the queen must come back to protect g2 and the knight or rook is lost. Found by Shredder 8. |
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| Jan-02-05 | | ptown: <tamar> Thanks. Now I can sleep tonight. I need some more practice!! |
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Jan-02-05
| | tamar: <sandyobrien> After 37 f3 Qb7 38 Qa1 Rf7 39 Ra7 Qb4 40 g3, 40... Ne6 would be the move I would play even though Black could go after the h pawn too. I don't see any way to save the ♘e7 after that |
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| Jan-02-05 | | aw1988: Hehe, this is something new:
:)
from daskorrupt's memorable games by daskorrupt |
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| Jan-02-05 | | Bloodstone: Notice that after 37) f3 Ivanchuk can play Qxf3 with a consequent Ne2 winning the white queen. This way he is up two pawns, which should be enough to assure a victory. |
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| Jan-07-05 | | ptown: Is the game still a lost cause if Garry were to play 37 Qc6? What would be black's response? Does Black have a winning position after 37 Qc6? |
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| Jan-07-05 | | aw1988: 37. Qc6 Qe1+ 38. Kh2 Ne2  |
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| Feb-26-05 | | Whitehat1963: Kasparov's only loss in the C88 Ruy Lopez. |
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| Jun-12-06 | | dakgootje: Blacks last move is deadly, but more complicated then i thought at first, as i didnt see all those variations which are posted earlier on |
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| Jun-20-07 | | MH7000: what happens if Kasparov does 37. Qf1...? is his knight lost somehow later? I do not know becuase i am not very good at chess ☺☻ |
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| Jun-21-07 | | adair10: <MH7000: what happens if Kasparov does 37. Qf1...? is his knight lost somehow later?> Then 37...Rb8 followed by Rb1 with Q-R exchange. If white tries to prevent it (e.g.Ra1), then white N falls as it is trapped. |
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| Jun-21-07 | | Wolfgang01: What's 37. f3 Qb7? 37. … Qxf3 leaves black with 2 pawns more. 37. Qf1 Qb7 traps the knight. |
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| Jun-21-07 | | MH7000: thanks guys |
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| May-28-08 | | Whitehat1963: Perhaps it's still too well known, but black to play after 36. Ra3 makes for an excellent Thursday/Friday puzzle. |
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| Jan-13-09 | | Xeroxx: Isn't 8.a4 unnecessary since black has already played d6? |
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| Mar-01-09 | | ughaibu: What was the time control? |
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| Oct-03-09 | | amadeus: This game was an Armageddon -- after 4 draws in 2 rapid and 2 blitz games. |
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| Nov-24-09 | | Xeroxx: <Xeroxx: Isn't 8.a4 unnecessary since black has already played d6?> 8.a4 as an anti-marshall I mean. |
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| Jun-21-11 | | Ulhumbrus: One of the points of the manoeuvre Nf6-d7-b6 is that White is unable to occupy the square c4 after the pawn advance ...b4 has weakened it. |
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Jun-19-14
 | | naresb: After 32... Nc5, Black was ahead with a pawn, had center control. Had White opted for 33. Kh2 to which Black response should have been 33... f6, game could have continued for a long with a slight favor to black. There would have been recurring exchange of positions among White Knight at Nf5/Nh6 and Black King at Kg7/kg8/Kh8, followed by:-- Rc3; Ke6
Nd6; Qb4
Rc6; Nd8
Ra6; Nf7
Nf5; Kh8
kind of stuff.
Whether it was premature on the part of White to accept the defeat? |
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