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| Feb-26-13 | | morfishine: <7.Bxf7+> and after either 7...Nxf7 or 7...Kf8, White plays <8.Ne6> and the Black Queen is lost |
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| Feb-26-13 | | mistreaver: Tuesday.White to play.Easy.7?
This is sweet :)
7 Bxf7 Kf8 (or Nxf7)
8 Ne6 and black loses his queen
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| Feb-26-13 | | thegoldenband: <Mendrys> <If 5...Kxf7 then the queen will fall as in the text with 6. Ng5+ Ke8 (..Kf6 7. Qf3+ Ke5 8. Nd5 Qf8 9. Qc3#) 7. Ne6> After 6...Kf6, I preferred 7. Nd5+ Kxg5 (7...Ke5 8. d4#) 8. d4+ Kh4 9. g3 Kh3 10. Nf4#, myself. But White is spoiled for choice here. |
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| Feb-26-13 | | bengalcat47: Here is another example of a "smothered mate" of the Queen Tarrasch vs Burn, 1907 |
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Feb-26-13
 | | HeMateMe: Was this one from last year's Candidates matches?
Tricky for just a second, when you are looking for a mate. Then, just grab the Queen. |
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| Feb-26-13 | | zb2cr: This puzzle has White winning the Queen. White starts with 7. Bxf7+. Black's two choices are: a. 7. ... Nxf7; 8. Ne6 and the Queen is trapped.
b. 7. ... Kf8; 8. Ne6+ with a fork.
In both cases, White wins the Queen for a pair of minor pieces. |
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Feb-26-13
 | | Oxspawn: OK I would definitely have missed this over the board but POTD is saying “come and get me” so after a full five minutes I found
7. Bxf7+
Now if black plays 7. Nxf7
8. Ne6 wins the queen (and a pawn) for the knight and bishop
If black plays
7. Kf8
8. Ne6 has the same outcome except that black does not even get to take both pieces. By the way, this looks like one of my openings, only I am not playing white. |
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Feb-26-13
 | | offramp: klabunde strike! |
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| Feb-26-13 | | snakebyt: It's early. I saw both moves in a sec, Bxf7+ Kg8 Ne6#. Woops! I thought mate. I didn't see blk N takes f7. Correct moves (for white), different outcome. Black resigns. |
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Feb-26-13
 | | FSR: Old hat - 7.Bxf7+ and 8.Ne6 wins the queen. Note that White's sixth move was inferior, allowing Black to escape with 6...e6! Correct was 6.Bxf7+!, winning a pawn if Black declines the bishop, and queen or king if he accepts. |
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| Feb-26-13 | | Castleinthesky: <Abdel Irada> Who is Morton and why does he like salt so much? |
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| Feb-26-13 | | patzer2: <jokerman: 6.Ng5 is a verry nice move! If 6...e6 white just plays 7.Bxe6! This is one to remember.> <FSR:...Note that White's sixth move was inferior, allowing Black to escape with 6...e6! Correct was 6.Bxf7+!> After 6...e6 7. Bxe6, how does Black proceed? Obviously not 7...fxe6? 8. Nxe6 Qe7 9. Nxc7+  . |
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| Feb-26-13 | | notyetagm: Klabunde vs Snijder, 1983
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6 ... ♘g8-h6?? <illusory protection: e6>
click for larger view7 ♗c4xf7+! <remove guard: e6>
click for larger view7 ... ♘h6x♗f7 8 ♘g5-e6 1-0 <trapped piece:d8-queen>
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Feb-26-13
 | | chrisowen: Goose effigy you choosee 7.Bxf7+ la bundle in one,
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Feb-26-13
| | chrisowen: Meatballs and gravy e6s the first chance duck a l0, range Snijder a5 rocket now can in g5,
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Feb-26-13
| | FSR: <patzer2: <jokerman: 6.Ng5 is a verry nice move! If 6...e6 white just plays 7.Bxe6! This is one to remember.> <FSR:...Note that White's sixth move was inferior, allowing Black to escape with 6...e6! Correct was 6.Bxf7+!> After 6...e6 7. Bxe6, how does Black proceed? Obviously not 7...fxe6? 8. Nxe6 Qe7 9. Nxc7+ .> Excellent point! You are quite correct - Black's position is so far gone that there's no saving it even after the "slower" 6.Ng5! Having now been enlightened on the subject, I think I even prefer that move to 6.Bxf7+! Houdini 3 rates them almost identically: +4.09 for 6.Bxf7+!, and +4.01 for 6.Ng5! |
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Feb-26-13
 | | kevin86: Black has the choice of losing the queen by smother or by fork...no mention of hooks or crooks. Monday:Give up the queen to smother mate.
Tuesday:deliver a "smothered mate" on the queen. |
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| Feb-26-13 | | patzer2: <FSR> Thanks for the instructive, alternate winning move 6. Bxf7+! I'm teaching a precocious four-year-old Grandson the game, and we had fun going over the variations in both the 6. Bxf7+! and 6. Ng5! lines. He especially enjoyed check mating Grandpa after 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7. Ng5+ Kf6? 8. Qf3#. P.S.: Appreciate the Houdini evaluation. I hadn't done one yet, because I was still using Fritz to go over lines in the Sunday game puzzler. |
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| Feb-26-13 | | MountainMatt: Unbelievable how long it took me to get this. God I suck. |
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Feb-26-13
| | FSR: <patzer2> Your grandson sounds precocious indeed! That's great - I could never get my daughter interested in chess, unfortunately. I was wrong about White's sixth move, but his fifth move really does deserve criticism. After 5.d4?, Black could have kept a playable game with 5...e6! (instead of the nonsequitur 5...a5??), heading for a Hippopotamus Defense a/k/a "Tiger's Modern." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippop... Instead of the flaccid 5.d4?, White wins with 5.Bxf7+! (not 5.Ng5? Ne5!) Kxf7? (5...Kf8! 6.Ng5! is also highly unpleasant) 6.Ng5+ Kf6? (6...Ke8/f8 7.Ne6 ) 7.Nd5+! (7.Qf3+ also works, no doubt) Kxg5 (7...Ke5 8.d4#) and now White has a veritable smorgasbord of sadistic mates available: (a) 8.d4+ (8.d3+) Kh4 (i) 9.g3+ Kh3 10.Nf4#; (ii) 9.h3 (threatening both 10.Qg4# and 10.g3#) - note that in this line, if White has played 8.d3 rather than 8.d4 Black can delay mate a move with 9...Bc3+!: (b) 8.h4+ Kh6 9.d4+ (9.d3+) g5 10.hxg5+ Kg6 11.Qh5#. If that seems too brutal, there is alternatively 10.Bxg5+ Kg6 11.Qh5+!! (11.Nf4+ Kf7 12.Qh5+ Kf8 13.Ne6#) Kxh5 12.Nf4+ Kg4 13.f3+ Kg3 14.Rh3# (14.Kf1 and 15.Ne2# is also strong). That's just off the top of my head. No doubt you and your grandson can think of more. |
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Feb-26-13
| | FSR: <MountainMatt: Unbelievable how long it took me to get this. God I suck.> Chess is all about pattern recognition. If you've seen this before (as I, and doubtless many others, have), you'll see it instantly. If you haven't, of course it's harder. Practice your tactics at a site like the free chesstempo.com. |
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Feb-26-13
 | | perfidious: <MountainMatt> We were all there once; try not to be so hard on yourself. By all means you should dismiss comments seen from time to time in these daily problems on the lines of 'that was so bloody easy' and 'I got that in a nanosecond'. When I see that rubbish, it's the biggest tell in the world that the player in question is not very strong. The single greatest key to excellence in chess is, as <FSR> astutely noted, pattern recognition. The more you practise-and you will make mistakes, same as anyone else-the better you will become at recognising these opportunities over time. |
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| Feb-26-13 | | YetAnotherAmateur: <MountainMatt> No worries, mate! An idea of the thought process that led me to this solution pretty quickly:
- Hey, look, 2 pieces attacking f7, and f7 is a bit vulnerable.
- Nh6 defends f7, so I can't just take stuff.
- But if I somehow can play Ne6, the black queen has nowhere to go.
- A pawn on f7 prevents Ne6, but a knight there does not.
- So 7. Bxf7+ Nxf7 8. Ne6 wins.
- What else can black do if I play Bxf7+? 7. ... Kf8 but then 8. Ne6+ also wins the queen. |
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| Feb-26-13 | | Patriot: White wins the queen and a pawn for 2 pieces with 7.Bxf7+: 7...Nxf7 8.Ne6
7...Kf8 8.Ne6+ Kxf7 9.Nxd8+ |
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| Feb-26-13 | | patzer2: <FSR> Thanks for the analysis showing Black is busted after only four moves with 5. Bxf7+! Will definitely use this game in my instruction to demonstrate how careless opening play can lead to quick disaster. |
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sac: 7.Bxf7+