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Jan-22-19
 | | FSR: 35...Rc2+ 36.Ka1 Rxf2 37.Qxf2 Bxd4+ 38.Qxd4 Nc2+ and 39...Nxd4, leaving Black win an extra piece. |
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Jan-22-19
 | | FSR: I didn't consider 37.Qxe4+, not allowing Black to "shear off" White's queen. |
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Jan-22-19 | | ChessHigherCat: There's probably better but this line wins a piece: 35...Rc2+ 36. Ka1 Rxf2 37. Qxf2 Bxd4+ 38. Qxd4 Nc2+ 39. Kb2 Nxd4 |
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Jan-22-19
 | | al wazir: Easy, may ass! It took me 15 minutes. |
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Jan-22-19 | | ChessHigherCat: FSR, I considered 37. Qxe4+ but reckoned it was sheerly off. I thought you guys would figure out how to win the queen net or something. |
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Jan-22-19
 | | FSR: <al wazir> I agree about the "not easy" part. I solved it pretty quickly - though as I say I didn't look at 37.Qxe4+, as White actually played. I've become addicted to Puzzle Rush on chess.com, so I basically just blitzed out the solution as I would have there. |
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Jan-22-19
 | | Jimfromprovidence: After the text 37 Qxe4+ Kd8 notice as a beautiful alternative to 37...Kd8 there is 37...Be5! click for larger view |
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Jan-22-19
 | | al wazir: After 38. Rd1 , black plays 38...Bxd4+ 39. Rxd4 (39. Qxd4 Nc2+) Rf1+ 40. Kb2 Rb1+ 41. Qxb1 Nxb1 42. Kxb2 a5, with a won endgame. But black still has a long slog. |
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Jan-22-19
 | | FSR: <Jimfromprovidence> Your move looks better than Shirov's, adding ...Rf4 to Black's myriad threats, and keeping the option of castling in the future - although to paraphrase the Sex Pistols in <God Save the Queen>, "there's no future, no future, no future for [White]." |
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Jan-22-19
 | | al wazir: Okay, I see. If 38. Rd1, then black plays 38...Re8 and then doubles the ♖s on the second rank. It still isn't "easy." |
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Jan-22-19 | | agb2002: Black has a rook and two pawns for the queen.
White threatens Qxe4+.
The pin suggests 35... Rc2+ 36.Ka1 Rxf2:
A) 37.Qxf2 Bxd4+ 38.Qxd4 Nc2+ 39.Kb2 Nxd4 - + [n+2p]. B) 37.Qxe4+ Kd8
B.1) 38.Rd1 Re8
B.1.a) 39.Qd3 Bxd4+ 40.Qxd4 Nc2+ 41.Kb1 Nxd4 wins decisive material. B.1.b) 39.Qg4 Ree2 40.Qxe2 (40.Qg8+ Ke7 and mate soon) 40... Rxe2 wins. B.2) 38.Rc1 Rd2 (38... Re8 39.Rc8+ Kxc8 40.Qxe8+) 39.Rc4 Rxd4 B.2.a) 40.Rxd4 Bxd4+ 41.Qxd4 Nc2+ 42.Kb2 Nxd4 - + [n+p]. B.2.b) 40.Rc8+ Kxc8 41.Qf5+ Kc7 42.Qxf6 Rd1+ 43.Kb2 Rb1#. |
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Jan-22-19 | | paulthebox: Shirov was born in 1972 so he was only (about) 13 wheb he played this game! |
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Jan-22-19 | | groog: Pretty good as Shirov was only 13 y.o. at the time. |
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Jan-22-19 | | saturn2: I saw 35...Rc2+
36. Ka1 Rxf2 37. Qxf2 otherwise there is always the threat Bxd4++ so white has to give Q for B |
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Jan-22-19 | | Walter Glattke: The clou is the second fork after 37.Qxf2 Bxd4+ 38.Qxd4 Nc2+ and NxQ, Fork Nc2 against Ka1 and Qe1 does not work. |
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Jan-22-19 | | trnbg: If 38.Rd1, then Black has 38...Rf1!, and White will end up a piece down, e.g. 39.Rxf1 Bxd4+ 40.Qxd4 Nc2+ and so on. |
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Jan-22-19 | | malt: Have 35...Rc2+ 36.Ka1 R:f2 37.Q:e4+ Kd8
38.Rc1 Re2 39.Qg4 Rc2! 40.Rd1
(40.R:c2 B:d4+ 41.Q:d4 N:c2+ )
40...Nb5 41.Qf4 Be5 42.Qg5+ f6 |
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Jan-22-19 | | AlicesKnight: I saw the main features but missed ....Rf1 in <trnbg>'s idea. As others have said, wind back a couple of extra moves for the full Q sac. Aged 13??? - wow. |
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Jan-22-19 | | mel gibson: I saw the first move but I wouldn't call the rest easy. Stockfish 10 says:
35.... Rc2+
(35. .. Rc2+ (♖c8-c2+ ♔b2-a1
♖c2xf2 ♕e1xf2 ♗f6xd4+ ♕f2xd4 ♘a3-c2+ ♔a1-b1 ♘c2xd4 ♖h1-d1 ♘d4-b5 ♖d1-h1
♔e8-e7 ♖h1-h3 ♔e7-f6 ♔b1-c1 ♘b5-d4 ♔c1-d1 ♔f6-e5 ♔d1-e1 ♖h8-c8 ♔e1-d1
♖c8-g8 ♖h3xh4 ♖g8xg2 ♖h4-h3 f7-f5 ♖h3-e3 ♖g2-g1+ ♖e3-e1 ♖g1xe1+ ♔d1xe1
e4-e3 ♔e1-d1 e3-e2+ ♔d1-d2 ♔e5-e4 ♔d2-e1 ♔e4-d3 ♔e1-f2 ♔d3-d2 ♔f2-g2)
+18.20/33)
score for Black +18.20 depth 33 |
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Jan-22-19 | | et1: Doable but not easy !! |
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Jan-22-19 | | cocker: Whatever happened to <Jimfromprovidence>? |
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Jan-22-19
 | | STYNTZ: pretty simple really if QxR Bxkt then if QxB Ktc2 chk wins wht queen |
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Jan-22-19 | | TheaN: Tuesday 22 January 2019
<35....?>
Black's down a Queen vs a Rook, which makes an immediate combination necessary. As such I'd reckoned this finish is part of a larger combination by Shirov. <35....Rc2+ 36.Ka1 Rxf2!> mind that Ka1 is forced because the Knight's pinned. After Rxf2 White has a problem: it takes out the defender of d4, and the Rook's is in principle immune: <37.Qxf2 Bxd4+ 38.Qxd4 Nc2+ -+>. However, there isn't much else White can do; I missed the option of 37.Qxe4+ which releases Rh1, but after 37....Kd8 38.Rd1 Re8! Black utilizes his final piece to collapse the center. Alas, from move 35, Black has no other option than the moves played, so I'd find that over the board. |
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Aug-11-19 | | MightyTal: I just finished “guessing the move” in this game. Seems to me that white’s resignation was a little premature. How about 38. Rc1 Rc2 (not 38....Rc1 because of 39. Kb2) 39. Rxc2 Bxd4+ 40. Rb2 Bc3 and now it’s a cat and mouse game between the black rook and the white queen. |
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Aug-11-19 | | MightyTal: Stockfish says that the position after 40....Bc3 is drawn. On 38. Rc1 the correct response is 38....Rd2 mating in 20. No need to resign so soon. |
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