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Nov-05-16
 | | saffuna: Funny how Beliavsky finally gets his queen over to the kingside to help on move 23, only to see Nunn switch the action to the queenside two moves later. |
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| Nov-05-16 | | gofer: <RKnight>: I don't think you have found quite the improvement you were hoping for... <21 ... Nd4>
<22 Qf2 Qxh5+>
<23 Be2 Nxe2>
After 23 ... Nxe2, white has to play 24 Qxe2 (not Nxe2) to avoid 24 ... Bxd3 winning a knight. So instead white plays <24 Qxe2>
and we reach here...
click for larger view...at which point you propose
<24 ... Bg4??>
click for larger view<25 Qxg4  >
Black is down R+N for 2 pawns and is about to trade off queens into a lost end game... |
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| Nov-05-16 | | patzer2: Fascinating Saturday problem (20...?) today. Black is a Rook down, but as compensation he has an extra pawn and active, well developed pieces with excellent attacking prospects. Meanwhile White's position is a complete wreck. Like pieces of driftwood randomly washed up on the shore, White's pieces are stuck on the first and second rank in awkward, uncoordinated positions. In the midst of all this dead wood, the White King is stuck in the middle of the board, unable to castle. Even though the White side pieces have superior numbers, their lack of coordination leaves them defenseless against the incisive attack of Black's active, well developed pieces. After seeing his surprising problem-like tactical solution 20...Nd2!  , I thought to myself it's little wonder GM John Nunn went on to become a three-time winner of the World Chess Solving Champion in 2004, 2007 and 2010. Unfortunately, I didn't see John Nunn's strong and best solution. Instead I went for 20...Nd4 , which, though weaker than Nunn's 20...Nd2!, appears to win with difficulty. My long move-by-move look with Deep Fritz 15 indicates Black wins with 20...Nd4 after 21. Qf2 [] Qxh5+ 22. Be2 [] Qg5 23. Qe1 [23. Qf4 Qg2 24. Qh2 Qe4 25. Re1 Nxe2 26. Rxe2 Qxc4 27. Qg3 Rf8 28. Nf2 Qxd5+ 29. Ke1 e5 30. Ncd3 c4 31. Nb4 Qc5 32. a3 a5 33. Na2 Bd3 34. Nc3 Bf4 35. Qg4 Bxe2 36. Nxe2 Bh6 37. Qg3 d5 38. Rd1 d4 39. Ng4 Bg7 40. Qg2 d3 41. Qxb7 h5 42. b4 axb4 43. axb4 Qd6 44. Qb5 Qe6 45. Ne3 dxe2 46. Kxe2 Qxh3 47. Qxc4+ Kh7 48. Qd5 Qh4 (-4.15 @ 21 depth, Deep Fritz 15)] 23... b5 24. Rg1 [] Qf6 25. Qc3 [] b4 26. Qe1 [] e5 27. Rf1 [] Rf8 28. Nb3 Nxe2 29. Qxe2 Bxd3 30. Rxf6 Bxe2+ 31. Kxe2 Rxf6 32. a3 bxa3 33. Rxa3 e4 34. Rxa7 Rf3 35. Nd2 Rxh3 36. Ra8+ Kf7 37. Ra7+ Kf8 38. Rxh7 Rh2+ 39. Kf1 e3 40. Ne4 e2+ 41. Ke1 Bd2+ 42. Kxd2 Rxh7 (-3.85 @ 27 depth, Deep Fritz 15). The winning follow-up after 20...Nd2! is pretty straight forward. However, a couple of alternatives to White's 21. hxg6 require a bit of calculation: If White plays 21. b3, Black wins after 21...Qe4 22. Rg1 Qe3 23. Rh1 (23. Rg2 Qf3+ 24. Be2 Qxg2) 23... Qf3+ 24. Ke1 Qxh1 (-20.61 @ 20 depth, Deep Fritz 15). If White plays 21. Qc3, Black wins after 21...Nxc4 22. Nf4 Nxb2+ 23. Qxb2 Qxf4 24. Rg1 Bg7 25. Qd2 Qxd2+ 26. Kxd2 Bxa1 (-3.61 @ 20 depth, Deep Fritz 15). |
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Nov-05-16
 | | offramp: This game took place on the 19th January 1985. The next day in England the Queen declared an amnesty, all prisoners were allowed free; fireworks were detonated at the Tower of London; a man appeared on the BBC saying that services had been suspended. People jumped into the Thames and they all died. I remember every second of it, including the appearance of UFOs over Buckingham Palace. |
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| Nov-05-16 | | Howard: Seirawan once referred to this game as the best one of the 80's. Rather exaggerated, in my view. |
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| Nov-05-16 | | patzer2: Perhaps White might have improved his chances by replacing 9. h3 = (-0.25 @ 29 depth, Stockfish 7) with the more active 9. Bg5 = (0.05 @ 28 depth, Houdini 4 x 64) as in White's wins in Kramnik vs Z Lanka, 1992,
Karpov vs Nunn, 1993 and A Volodin vs I Saric, 2010. Earlier in the opening, instead of 5. f3 = (0.23 @ 38 depth, Stockfish 7) , it would appear the computer programs and most GMs now prefer 5. Nf3 = to  (0.38 @ 41 depth, Komodo 9.3) as in White's wins in W So vs F Perez Ponsa, 2016,
J Xiong vs K Yang, 2016 and
M Ragger vs S Maze, 2016. |
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| Nov-05-16 | | agb2002: I haven't found the time today for this interesting puzzle. |
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| Nov-05-16 | | patzer2: As <Dr. Gridlock> observes in a post from Sep, 2013, 16. Nxf3 Nxf3+ 17. Kd1 Bf5 = would have given White good survival chances. However, Black missed a chance two moves earlier by not playing 14...Qf5!  to (-1.63 @ 21 depth, Deep Fritz 15). |
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| Nov-05-16 | | mel gibson: Too hard for me.
DR4 64 bit sees it if you only allow it
8 plies or 8 half moves.
It does that in much less than 1 second.
Computers have changed everything.
By the way -
the computer comes up with such a different variant after that move even
when you give it only 6 seconds per move to think. That means the game above is technically not perfect. |
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Nov-05-16
 | | Willber G: I went with:
20...Bg4 threatening to win the Q with 21...Nd4+ but 21.Qc2 seems to defuse it. But Nd4+ here still looks like an interesting position for black although I couldn't find a win. |
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| Jul-09-18 | | dehanne: It's coming home. |
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Jan-31-20
 | | Plaskett: It´s a highly creative game.
The novelty and the consequent rook sacrifice I know to have been produced, almost certainly, without computer aid.
But, for all that, Nunn´s annotations in "The World´s Greatest Chess Games" are not objective:
"Or 16 Nxf3 Nxf3+, 17 Kd1 Bf5, 18 Bg3 Qe3, 19 Bf2 Qxe4, 20 Qxe4 Bxe4, 21 Bg2 Rf8 and Black already has one pawn for the exchange while the clumsy white rooks will be no match for his energetic bishops."
That is simply wrong for the queen´s rook enters the game after 22 a2-a4! So Beliavsky could thus have refuted the sacrifice.
Apparently he thought for some time over his excellent move 14 Ne4!.
Nunn had not considered it all that seriously in his preparations. |
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Feb-01-20
 | | MissScarlett: <But, for all that, Nunn´s annotations in "The World´s Greatest Chess Games" are not objective: "Or 16 Nxf3 Nxf3+, 17 Kd1 Bf5, 18 Bg3 Qe3, 19 Bf2 Qxe4, 20 Qxe4 Bxe4, 21 Bg2 Rf8 and Black already has one pawn for the exchange while the clumsy white rooks will be no match for his energetic bishops." That is simply wrong for the queen´s rook enters the game after 22 a2-a4!> But Black is much better then after 22...Nd4. The problem with Nunn's line, as indicated in previous analysis, is that 19.Bf2 is a serious error, leaving it vulnerable to the eventual ...Rf8. Instead 19.Qd3 forces the exchange on e4 and the Bishop remains on g3. To that extent, 18...Qe3 is preferable to the immediate 18...Qxe4, because it invites the potential error. |
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| Jul-26-20 | | Chesgambit: Classical game |
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| Jul-26-20 | | Chesgambit: 20...Nd2 of course best |
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| May-11-23 | | Gaito: A wonderful attacking game by GM John Nunn. This was the final position:
click for larger viewA piquant finish would have been something like this: 28.Rg4 Ne3+ 29.Kd2 Ng2+! 30.Kd1 Bc2+! 31.Qxc2 Qf1 mate! (See diagram below) 
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| May-11-23 | | Gaito: This game was considered the best game of the first semester in 1985 (Informant No. 39), with 78 points out of 90 possible points |
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Aug-24-23
 | | kingscrusher: Great game. It seems there might even be a more crushing move earlier at move 15: 15... Be3
Alexander Beliavsky - John Nunn 0-1 2.0, Hoogovens Wijk aan Zee NED 1985
click for larger viewAnalysis by Stockfish 16 - one thread version:
1. -+ (-2.11): 16.Qe2 Rxf2 17.Nxf2 Qf4 18.hxg6 hxg6 19.h4 Qg3 20.Ngh3 Nf3+ 21.Kd1 Nd4 22.Qd3 Bf5 23.Rg1 Qxg1 24.Nxg1 Bxd3 25.Bxd3 Bxf2 26.Ne2 Rf8 27.Nxd4 Bxd4 28.Rb1 Kg7 29.b4 b6 30.bxc5 Bxc5
Black is clearly better
(Gavriel, 24.08.2023) |
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Aug-24-23
 | | HeMateMe: <This game took place on the 19th January 1985. The next day in England the Queen declared an amnesty,> People with Guy Fawkes masks were allowed to turn in the masks at the Tower, slink away quietly, no punishment? |
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Oct-13-23
| | Plaskett: I actually think Seirawan and Nunn are both incorrect in their verdicts. Whilst my victory over Miles at Lugano 1986 was NOT The best game of the 1980s, I certainly think it was better than this one! https://www.kingpinchess.net/2016/0... TERRIBLY ARROGANT claim... but I'm claiming it. Miles was ranked ninth in the world. I sacced my queen for a bishop and three pawns and Stockfish14 affirms that afterwards it is not clearly possible for him to show superiority. Whereas, after John's slip at move 15, had Alexander played not 16 Ne2 ... but 16 Nxf3 Nxf3+, 17 Kd1 Bf5, 18 Bg3 Qe3, 19 Qd3 ... no way would John have been equal. Although I did blunder at move 27 to permit my opponent to escape, even so, at no point was I worse. I therefore think that if this game deserves a place in a volume of 'The World's Greatest Chess Games' , so should mine Vs Miles from Lugano 1986. For my game was better.
TERRIBLY ARROGANT claim. But, I here make it. |
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Oct-13-23
 | | perfidious: <chesswhizkid: Actually, GM Timman found the fine 9.Bg5! Which avoids the huge mess that Beliavsky went through.> Believe this was mentioned in the original annotations in the work authored by Griffiths and Nunn, but the good doctor carried on playing the line. The actual game was Laskerian chess at its best: a knife fight on the edge of a precipice. |
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| Oct-13-23 | | AsosLight: If Nunn had played this to Carlsen would have ended in prison. |
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May-08-24
| | Plaskett: I played 9 Bg5 Vs William Watson in the British Championship of 1990.
After 9...e6 10 f4 Neg4 I took it easy with 11 dxe6! Bxe6 11 Nf3. William thought for well over half an hour before making the best of a bad job with 11...h6 12 Bh4 b5 13 cxb5 d5 14 e5 d4... when after 15 exf6 he had insufficient compensation. Nevertheless, I messed it up completely and, short of time, he missed a trivial win before move forty.
And his time shortage I was to exploit in the ending and even won the game and subsequently went on to win the tournament. |
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| May-09-24 | | Olavi: <Plaskett> Could it be that Nunn's effort makes a bigger impression on people? That is an aspect of 'Greatest Games' too. And the opening concept. Also an aspect. Just questions, for perspective. |
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| May-09-24 | | Olavi: 'Greatest' and 'Best' are not the same thing.
In the book you will notice a preference for the tactical. Where are Petrosyans positional masterpieces... well that has no direct relation to this. |
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