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| Nov-23-02 | | morphynoman2: 27... Ng3! Not ease to see, this nice problem move. |
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| Nov-23-02 | | mdorothy: Ok, everyone, tell the stupid kid why 28. Kf2 loses??? I feel I'm off my game lately, but this is just getting rediculous. |
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Nov-24-02
 | | Honza Cervenka: Maybe white is not lost after 28.Kf2 but I think that black's attack is strong enough to give him a draw at least: 27...Ng3+ 28.Kf2 Ne4+ 29.Ke2 cxd4 30.cxd4 (30.c4 Qe6 31.Kf3 Qc6-+, 30.c4 Qe6 31.Kf1 Qxf6 32.Qf3 Ng3+ 33.Kf2 Qh4-+) 30...Nc5+ 31.Qe3 Qc4+ 32.Kf3 (32.Kf2 Ne4+ 33.Kf3 Qd5 33.f7 Nd2+ 34.Ke2 Rxe3+ -+) 32...Qd5+ 33. Ke2 (33.Kg3 Ne4+ 34.Kh3 Nxf6 etc.) 33...Qc4+ = |
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| Nov-24-02 | | morphynoman2: I mean 27... Ng3! 28. Kf2 Bc7! and the treat is 29... Re2 |
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Nov-24-02
| | Honza Cervenka: On 28.Kf2 Bc7 white can play 29.Re1 preventing your threat and freeing square g1 for king. I don't see any reasonable continuation of attack there. |
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| Nov-24-02 | | drukenknight: what are you guys debating? Are you trying to help black? Black won the game. Does anyone have an improvement for white? Can they show where white lost the game? |
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Nov-25-02
| | Honza Cervenka: DK, we are debating that improvement - 28.Kf2.:-) |
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| Nov-25-02 | | drukenknight: okay then, back up a few moves and play instead: 26 Bxf6+ |
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| Nov-25-02 | | Cyphelium: Just 26.-Kb8. |
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| Nov-25-02 | | pawntificator: 26 Bxf5+ Kb8 27. g4 and the knight appears to be trapped |
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| Nov-25-02 | | Cyphelium: Aha, ok, missed that. I guess black can try 27.-Rf8 28.Bf4? fails to 28.-Rxf5 of course. 28.Ke2 and now 28.-Rxf5 looks almost forced. 29.gxf5 cxd4 and black has some compensation. |
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| Nov-25-02 | | drukenknight: we have two lines going at once (sorry if folks are getting confused) one is: 26 Bxf5+ Kb8 27. g4 Rf8 28 Bg5 (I think, its not set up so I may be messing it up) the other line starts w/ 28 Ke2 |
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| Nov-25-02 | | pawntificator: 26 Bxf5+ Kb8 27. g4 Rf8 28 Bg5 is not good because 28...NxB, but I think 28 Ke2 secures the knight's fate. 26 exf e.p. Rxg4 27. hxg4 Ng3+ 28 Ke2?? RxK 26 exf e.p. Rxg4 27. hxg4 Ng3+ 28 Kf2 cxd4 and things do not look good for white still, maybe 29 c4 and a chance to hold on |
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Nov-27-02
| | Honza Cervenka: Pawntificator, what is wrong with 29.Kxg3 in your line 26. exf6 e.p.+ Rxg4 27. hxg4 Ng3+ 28 Kf2 cxd4? I think black has to play 28...Ne4+ instead of 28...cxd4. See my comment above. |
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| Nov-28-02 | | pawntificator: Very nice, Honza! I missed the c1 bishop covering the rooks e3 square after Kxg3. Thank goodness there are other people on this site to correct chess blindness. I had considered 28...Ne4+ but disregarded it because all I could see was a draw after Kf1 Ng3+ Kf2 over and over. Honza, if 28...Ne4+ 29 Ke2 why not 29...Nxc3 dbl+ or 29...Nxf6 disc+ |
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Nov-29-02
| | Honza Cervenka: 29...Nf6+ 30.Kd1 doesn't seem to be too dangerous for white who is still up with material. After 29...Nxc3++ 30.Kf1! (30.Kd2 is bad for 30...Re2+) white gains an important tempo for consolidation of position, for example 30...Ne2 31.Qf5+ Qxf5 32.gxf5 Nxg1 33.Bh6 and white wins or 30...Ne4 31.Bf4 etc. with decisive advantage of white. |
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| Nov-29-02 | | pawntificator: Very good. Honza you are an invaluable resource to this site! Do you see any possibilities for 28 Kf2 Re2+ 29 Kxg3 Bc7+ I can't see right now I have to run |
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Nov-29-02
| | Honza Cervenka: I don't see any promising continuation for black there. White can play 30.Bf4 or even 30.Kh4 without big fear. 30.Bf4 Bxf4+ 31.Kxf4 Rf2+ 32.Kg3 Rxf6 33.Rae1 is probably the best black's line which I have found and it seems to be absolutely hopeless for him. |
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| Nov-29-02 | | pawntificator: So, white could have saved the game with 28. Kf2, is that what your saying? If only I had read your very first comment~!! :0 |
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Nov-29-02
| | Honza Cervenka: I think he could save the game playing 28.Kf2 as I didn't find any forced winning continuation for black after that move. At first I thought even that white should win after 28.Kf2 but later I found quite satisfactory continuation for black after 28...Ne4+ 29.Ke2 which seems to hold balance at least (white has to be very careful after 29...cxd4). Of course, I don't know whether I'm not missing some improvement in my lines posted above. It is quite possible. |
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| May-03-03 | | cinammon: Pillsbury could of played 28. Kf2 to keep him in the game. |
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| May-03-03 | | Calli: 18. Kf2 looks like a draw after 27...Ng3+ 28.Kf2 Ne4+ 29.Kf1. But in the line given above 27...Ng3+ 28.Kf2 Ne4+ 29.Ke2? cxd4 30.cxd4 Nc5+ 31.Qe3 Qc4+ 32.Kf3 Qd5+ 33. Ke2 then 33...Ne4 kooks like a win because White's pawns fall one by one. |
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May-06-03
| | Honza Cervenka: Calli, all your line after 34.Qd3 seems to lead to the position achieved already after 27...Ng3+ 28.Kf2 Ne4+ 29.Ke2 cxd4 30.cxd4. Have you any better idea instead of 30...Nc5+? |
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| May-10-04 | | capanegra: The only thing certain here is that 28.Qxg3?? was a blunder. However, Pillsbury could be forgiven if we consider that he was actually playing blindfold, and simultaneously with nine other boards. <Honza> <after 27...Ng3+ 28.Kf2 Ne4+ 29.Ke2 cxd4 30.cxd4. Have you any better idea instead of 30...Nc5+?> How about 30…Bxd4? |
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| May-10-04 | | Calli: Oh my! You mean I didn't reply? Must have been busy a year ago and forgot about this game. Anyway I messed up the Kibitz too. I really meant to take the queen at the end. Honza is right I was going around in circles, so we can shorten the variation: 28.Kf2 Ne4+ 29.Ke2 cxd4 30.cxd4 Nc5+ 31.Qe3 Rxe3+ 32.Bxe3 Ne4 and I think White is lost i.e. 33.g5 Qb5+ 34.Kf3 Qf5+ 35.Ke2 Ng3+ 36.Kd1 Qg4+ 37.Kc1 Qe2 |
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