| Jul-20-06 | | Maynard5: This game features extremely good positional play by Lilienthal, in particular the use of the c-file and the advance of the h-pawn, which enables White to post his knight on the strong square f5. Keres actually plays some strong moves in the opening here, Qc8 followed by 15. ... Qc2, after which White's bishop is tied down on c1. But after 16. e4, Black should probably reply with 16. ... Nc5, or possibly 16. ... Bc5, rather than with 16. ... e5, after which he is rapidly driven into a very passive position. |
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| Jun-11-07 | | sanyas: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/dvore... |
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| Mar-05-18 | | cwcarlson: ChessBase shows 24...♖f7 and 27...♖ff8, but Fine's Chess Marches On also has 24...♖c7 and 27...♖cc8. |
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Mar-08-21
 | | Phony Benoni: <cwcarlson> The discrepancy at moves 24 and 27 may have coe from <Chess Review>, which published the game in the May 1941 issue, p. 104-105. Here is the position after <24.Qd4>:
click for larger viewNow Chess Review (using Descriptive Noteation) gives the ambiguous move 24...R-B2. Either 24...Rf7 or 24...Rc7 look possible, so we move on looking for clues. Move 27 in <CR> is given as <27...KR-B1>. Normally, this would indicate the rook on the f-file moved, which would imply 24...Rf7 was played. However, there's the possibility that after 24...Rc7, 27...KR-B1 could mean 27...Rfc8. This is why we hate Descriptive Notation.
On move 30, we have <30...KR-Q1>. This would normally imply that both rooks were on Black's first rank at this point That eliminates the possibility o ...Rfc8, would indicate the moves were either 24...Rf7 / 27..Rf8, or 24...Rc7 / 24...Rc8. Normally, I would favor the first of these alternatives, since I would fewer mistakes in the score from <CR>. . But Fine worries me a bit. He may have had better information. So it would be good to have another contemporary source -- and preferably in Algebraic! And now you know why I don't play chess anymore. This sort of stuff is much less frustrating. |
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Mar-09-21
 | | Retireborn: <PB> I used to own a book of this tournament, written by Botvinnik as I recall. As it was an English translation it would have been in descriptive too, but it seemed to be unambiguous about 24...Rf7, 27...Rff8, and 30...Rfd8. I think you can be reasonably certain that CR is correct, but probably someone who has the book should confirm before correcting. |
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Mar-09-21
 | | Pawn and Two: <Phony Benoni & Retireborn> My Dover edition, 'Soviet Chess Championship, 1941', by M. M. Botvinnik, in English descriptive, first published in 1973, states that it is an unabridged republication of the English translation originally published in 1950, under the title, 'Championship Chess'. My book shows the moves in question as: 24...R-KB2; 27...R(B2)-B1 & 30...KR-Q1. After 24...R-KB2, Botvinnik stated: 'It would have been better not to separate the Rooks, and to play 24...KR-Q1. After Black's 26th move, Botvinnik stated: 'A mournful homecoming, Black is forced to retreat along the entire front'. After Black's 28th move, Botvinnik stated: 'Black makes desperate efforts to hold the QB-file (if now 29.R(KB)-B1, then QxR ch), but in vain, White forestalls him in doubling the Rooks along the open file'. |
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Mar-09-21
| | Phony Benoni: <Retireborn> <Pawn and Two> Thanks for the information. I think we now h ave enough to submit a correction. |
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