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| Sep-10-12 | | Abdel Irada: <Once>: "Silicon monster" = Vlastimil (the) Horta? |
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| Sep-10-12 | | govind: on 35Qxb3 why not Bc1 when re2 is not possible? |
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| Sep-10-12 | | jusmail: Agood pun too |
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Sep-10-12
 | | FSR: Silly pun, but a great game. |
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| Sep-10-12 | | Melonhead: Hi. Can someone please explain 46. Qb1 when there seems to be a free pawn begging with 46. Qxf5+. The queen can still block the pawn after the king has moved. The pawn in question comes in handy to Keres later. |
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Sep-10-12
 | | Sastre: <Melonhead> 46.Qxf5+ g6 47.Qd7+ (47.Qxf6 b1Q+) Bg7 48.Bd4 b1Q+ wins. |
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| Sep-10-12 | | Abdel Irada: <Melonhead>: I wondered about that, too. On further examination, however, it appears that Black wins faster after <46. ♕xf5†, g6!; 47. ♕b1...> (47. ♕d7†, ♗g7; 48. ♗d4, b1=♕†; 49. ♔f2, ♖b7  ) <47. ...♖a8; 48. ♗a7, ♖xa7; 49. ♕c2/♕d3/♕e4, ♖a1† >. It seems to me that Keres' 46. ...g6? was unnecessary, because after the consistent 46. ...♖a8; 47. ♕xf5†, g6!; 48. ♕d7†, ♗g7; 49. g4, b1=♕†; 50. ♔g2, g5; 51. ♗d4, ♖a2†; 52. ♔g3, ♕e1† White is getting mated. |
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Sep-10-12
 | | scormus: What a game, I'm in awe.
After 35 ... Qxc1+ OMG*. It seems incredible that 41 d8=Q would be losing, while Qxb8 might save W. I guess W would have needed to find 43 Rf1 followed by a whole more hard to see moves. I'll have to run this on Rybka and see how long she takes. * is that why the pun, Hort felt he'd swallowed a RHCP? |
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| Sep-10-12 | | sushijunkie: I'm just a patzer, and this game was precisely executed, but the themes front/middle/&back are really worn out for me. The Ruy-exchange/exchange/exchange-see who promotes first/best...it's just tired. I'm sure I'll catch flak, but I'll never play at that level, but I don't care to see this type of game again. Maybe it's time for me to start doing 960... |
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Sep-10-12
 | | Eggman: Fantastic cross-generational battle, with the veteran Keres triumphing over the 17-year-old Hort. |
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Sep-10-12
 | | kevin86: Black's pawn seems a bigger threat as a pawn, than AFTER it promotes. |
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Sep-10-12
| | scormus: Remarkable! After 40 ... Kh7 Rybka picks 41 d8=Q and evaluates it as 0.00 up to d=16. Only at deeper search does she "realise" it loses (-2.88) and "finds" 41 Qxb8 as the best damage control strategy. At d=20 and 22 MN she rates it -1.25. Hard to fault Hort for his play in this position, Keres was simply superhuman. I'm just glad <CG> didn't give this as yesterday's puzzle! |
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| Sep-10-12 | | master of defence: If 41.Qxb8 Ra1 wins, or I missed something? |
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| Sep-11-12 | | Gambit All: What if White plays 42. ♕a2? Then all I see is 42... c2 43. ♕xb2 ♖d1+ 44.♗e1 and how does Black continue? |
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Sep-11-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <Gambit All> Since White cannot play 42.♕a2, I'm assuming you meant <43.♕a2>, producing this position:
click for larger viewwhen after <43..c2 44.♕xb2> Black just plays <44...♗xb2>. |
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| Sep-11-12 | | Gambit All: Thank you Phony Benoni; yes, I totally lost sight of Black's Bishop guarding the pawn. Now I feel stupid but not puzzled.It won't last (the unpuzzled part). |
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| Sep-12-12 | | Akshay999: this game is beyond a computer...... |
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| Oct-08-13 | | AngeLa: @honza cervenka... luckily there's no houdini on that day :)(to much silicon power takes away someone's creativity :) |
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Oct-15-14
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Phony Benoni,
I've never been shy in going forward and back in 1982/83 I actually asked Hort himself about this incident, even showing him the original passage in the book from Vukovic. He said it was not true. It was as you say, he got up from the board and his feet became tangled up in another chair and stumbled. Great game even without the 'Shock of the Sacrifice' story. |
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| Oct-15-14 | | Shams: It's not even that shocking of a Queen sacrifice. |
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Oct-15-14
| | Sally Simpson: I've just fallen off my chair. |
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| Oct-15-14 | | john barleycorn: <Sally Simpson: ...
He said it was not true. It was as you say, he got up from the board and his feet became tangled up in another chair and stumbled.>Good old Vlastimil. I asked him the last time in the casino how he did it...and he showed it after 15 Budvars... |
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| Aug-20-18 | | Inocencio: Truly Keres Vintage! |
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| Sep-08-20 | | Straclonoor: <42...Rd2>! only move for win and Keres finded it! Analysis by Stockfish 040920:
1. -+ (-3.50): 42...Rd2 43.Qc4 c2 44.Qf1 Rd5 45.h3 Ra5 46.Rxb2 Bxb2 47.Be3 Ra1 48.Qxa1 Bxa1 49.Bc1 Bd4+ 50.Kf1 f4 51.Bxf4 Bb2 52.Ke2 c1N+ 53.Bxc1 Bxc1 54.Kd3 Kg6 55.Ke4 h5 56.h4 Bd2 57.g3 Be1 58.Kf4 Bf2 59.g4 Bxh4 60.gxh5+ Kxh5 61.Ke4 Bg5 62.Ke5 Bf6+ 63.Kf5 Kh4 64.Kf4 2. +- (9.64): 42...Rd3 43.Be1 Rd5 44.g4 Rc5 45.Qc2 h5 46.gxh5 Bd4+ 47.Kg2 Kh6 48.Rd1 Bf6 49.Bf2 Ra5 50.Qd3 Kxh5 51.Bb6 Re5 52.Kh3 Kg6 53.Rg1+ Kh7 54.Rb1 Kg6 55.Qxc3 Rd5 56.Qc4 Rd6 57.Be3 Rd8 58.Qe6 Kh7 59.Qxf5+ Kh8 60.Qh5+ Kg8 61.Kg2 Rf8 62.Qd5+ Kh8 63.Qe4 Rc8 64.Qf5 Rc7 65.Bc5 |
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| Sep-08-20 | | SChesshevsky: < sushijunkie: I'm just a patzer, and this game was precisely executed, but the themes front/middle/back are really worn out for me. The Ruy-exchange/exchange/exchange-see who promotes first/best...it's just tired. > Good or bad those ideas are to a massive extent how players of this caliber win. It's also why patzers will always lose to them. Interesting example was some recent videos of a Karpov simul in Moscow on YouTube. Seemed mostly young opponents. Maybe ages 8 to 20. Of course, totally outclassing the competition and playing slightly looser than he might otherwise, Karpov still did not go for any cheap, speculative attacks. Played exactly by the principles you mention. Even ground down some possibly 9 year old in a winning two piece each pawn endgame. Maybe to add some mystery and usefulness for others viewing this game: With the moves 5. d4, 9. Bxc6+, 14. a4, Hort is pushing for some agenda. But what? Keres has to respond adequately and hopefully have some counter ideas. What was his plan and what were key moves? After 32...b3:
click for larger viewGiven the old rule of thumb is that a well protected passed pawn on the sixth (and presumably seventh) is worth a piece. Often a N or B, sometimes a R or even a Q. And a key part of the future of that passed pawn is the plusses and minuses of the queening square. Who's better and why? Where would the best positions be for pieces from both sides to advance or defend against these passed pawns? Maybe subtle and boring questions. But that's usually what good chess is about. |
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