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Feb-15-09
 | | Peligroso Patzer: <Aspirador: <Kasparov has given the opening moves of the [famous Tal-Kasparov] game [from 1992 where Tal left the hospital] in My Great Predecessors ...> and they were?> The following moves are given by Kasparov “from memory” at pages 475-476 of volume II of My Great Predecessors: M. Tal - G. Kasparov Moscow (blitz) 28 May 1992, Sicilian Defense B51: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+ Nd7 4.d4 Ngf6 5.0–0 a6 6.Bxd7+ Nxd7 7.Nc3 e6 8.Bg5 Qc7 9.Re1 cxd4 10.Nxd4 Ne5 11.f4 h6 12.Bh4 g5 13.fxe5 gxh4 14.exd6 Bxd6 [Here GK comments: "Is it not time for White to concern himself with how to equalize? That's not what happened!"] 15.Nd5?! exd5 16.exd5+ Kf8 17.Qf3, resulting in the following position with Black to move: 
click for larger viewKasparov writes: “In the end Black beat off the dashing attack, retaining his extra material, but … overstepped the time limit!” |
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| Feb-15-09 | | KingG: <and they were?> I don't have access to the book at the moment, but I'm sure someone else here does. From what I remember Tal was White and the game started as 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+. A bit later Tal unexpectedly sacrificed a knight on d5(I think). Kasparov says he managed to refute the attack with great difficulty but then lost on time. |
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Feb-15-09
| | Peligroso Patzer: <RookFile: Another smooth performance by the strongest blitz player ever.> Putting aside the question whether Fischer was the “strongest blitz player ever”, this game is not all that impressive. Looking at the position after 17 moves (white to play):
click for larger viewit seems to me that White has little or nothing since the passed pawns are securely blockaded and the a3-Bishop is passive. Mednis’s 18. … Nd4 seems dubious (better to maintain the blockade and bring the Black Rooks into play at this point), but he was still OK until 29. … Nb6? left him unable to stop the d-pawn without sacrificing a piece. Here, 29. … Ra6 should have been played with an equal position. |
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Feb-15-09
| | Peligroso Patzer: <KingG: <and they were?> I don't have access to the book at the moment, but I'm sure someone else here does. ***> See my post, above. |
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Feb-15-09
| | Peligroso Patzer: As you will see, <KingG>, your recollection was absolutely correct about Tal playing a speculative Knight sac on d5. |
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| Feb-15-09 | | KingG: <Peligroso Patzer> Thank you. |
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| Feb-15-09 | | Aspirador: <Peligroso> Thanks for posting. Interesting that Kasparov played 3...Nd7 in blitz there. I don't remember him ever playing that in classical chess after Ivanchuk vs Kasparov, 1991 |
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| Feb-15-09 | | AnalyzeThis: Peligroso's statement amounts to saying that if Mednis hadn't made a mistake, he wouldn't have lost. This happens to be true of any game. It's a bit much to expect Fischer to have a won game by move 17. |
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| Feb-15-09 | | whithaw: Fischer was the best chess player ever, blitz or otherwise. |
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| Feb-15-09 | | blacksburg: O RLY!?! |
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| Feb-15-09 | | Aspirador: <O RLY!?!> No, not really. This is an urban myth. It is a well-hidden secret that Ruy Lopez was the best blitz-player ever. His skills in "Fischer-mode" with increment were particularly incredible. |
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| Feb-15-09 | | AnalyzeThis: It was clever of Ruy Lopez to position the board so that sunlight was reflected into his opponent's eyes. |
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| Feb-15-09 | | blueofnoon: If you look at his blitz rating during 2000-2008, you will realize Kasparov was second to none in this area even after his peak. http://members.aon.at/sfischl/blitz...
Of course, nobody can say if he was better than Tal or Fischer for sure, but at least there is a clear evidence that he's the best one in this century. Now, I would like Fischer supporters to bring statistical evidence, not the subjective opinion about his strength in blitz. |
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| Mar-11-09 | | KingG: Apparently this is some footage of the Tal vs Kasparov game in 1992: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6nU.... |
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| Mar-11-09 | | AnalyzeThis: <blueofnoon: If you look at his blitz rating during 2000-2008, you will realize Kasparov was second to none in this area even after his peak. > Fischer didn't have a blitz rating. I wonder what sort of a rating you give a guy who wins practically every game against the world's best? |
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| Mar-11-09 | | KingG: Trying to compare blitz strength or greatness across different eras is even more stupid than in classical chess. At least with classical chess we have the game scores and a substantial number of tournaments to go by. With blitz all we have are a few tournaments and some anecdotes. What is clear I think is that Fischer was clearly the best blitz player in the world by the early 70's and Kasparov was the best blitz player of his time. |
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Jul-27-10
 | | HeMateMe: ....and, here's a Winawer that Mednis didn't win. |
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| Feb-18-11 | | fab4: @ Peligroso Patzer.... after your 29..Ra6 simply 30.Rd7 wins. Since after 30..Ra3 31.Rc7 the white pawn on d6 cannot be stopped due to the unfortunate postion of the black king ect.. This is a great site but to see so many 'patzers' thinking they know better than a chess God such as Fischer is just embarrassing .. |
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| Feb-18-11 | | bubuli55: The best action thriller |
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| Feb-18-11 | | johnlspouge: < <fab4> wrote: @ Peligroso Patzer.... after your 29..Ra6 simply 30.Rd7 wins. Since after 30..Ra3 31.Rc7 the white pawn on d6 cannot be stopped due to the unfortunate postion of the black king ect.. > Toga evaluates as best play
29...Ra6 30.Rxd7 Rxa3 31.Re7 Kf8 32.Rxe6 Ra1+ 33.Kh2 Rd1, with +0.05 P for White.
<This is a great site but to see so many 'patzers' thinking they know better than a chess God such as Fischer is just embarrassing ..> I agree with you. I always recommend that they check their logic with a chess engine, to improve the kibitzing on the site. My chessforum has instructions for downloading Toga, in case you are interested. |
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| Feb-19-11 | | fab4: < Johnlspouge :I agree with you. I always recommend that they check their logic with a chess engine, to improve the kibitzing on the site. My chessforum has instructions for downloading Toga, in case you are interested.> Thanks for the tip and I like your dry wit. I only looked at the position pretty quickly but fair enough.. Personally I prefer to use my own imagination and ability when looking at positions.. You can get too lazy using a chess engine all the time. Reading posts on this site it's more fun and more worthy if you feel any lines offered have emanated from the posters head and not silicon.. |
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| Mar-03-11 | | Lennonfan: <this is a great site but to see so many patzers thinking they know better than a chess god such as fischer is embarrassing>!!!
People are merely giving there opinions which is what this site is for,nobody claims to know more than fischer himself,people are only debating,just like you are above concerning moves in the game,and its your points which are embarrassing mr<fab4> i know you like having debates concerning your idol,in fact mass debates over fischer,but your pompous,know it all,childish,attitude,is becoming annoying,as whenever i come to kibitz on a fischer game your here worshiping and preaching...for what its worth i think your a teenage boy,with serious issues,there's being a fan,and there's being obsessed to the point whenever someone disagrees with you,you personally offend them and claim they know nothing about chess...btw whats your rating?? Fancy a game?? Let me know mr fabster...all the best
Lennonfan.... |
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| Mar-03-11 | | TheFocus: <Lennonfan> Did you look in a mirror while you made that last post. You should have. Pompous, indeed!
Like I said before, ever since you arrived, you have had a chip on your shoulder. You will learn that the longer you stay. If you have not realized it, many people are here to debate. Even you. We like to express our opinions. I certainly do. |
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| Mar-03-11 | | Lennonfan: <the focus>i am many things,im a common lad,but pompous isn't one of those things...far from it!..i realise your very pro fischer and maybe sticking up a bit for <fab4>as he's,well he's obsessed with the man! And this chip on my shoulder..well maybe i have,but if so iv only developed it since joining cg.com as some of the things people say that catch my eye can annoy me and im not the type of fella to kp my opinions to myself..as you can tell.
I do realise they're different levels of intellgence on this site,so when i see people whom i consider to be pompous(amongst other things!) spk down to genuinely decent folk with good opinions,by using offensive and insulting diatribe toward them,then il spk up for them ppl if need be..and especially if its toward myself..you seem a decent fella,but when a young man like me asks you kindly if i could post a short game on ur forum for you to pick apart and give me an opinion on,your reply in itself was rather pompous,and it wouldn't have hurt you to let me would it? |
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| Mar-03-11 | | Lennonfan: And did i not say in my first post to <f4>ppl are here to debate,myself included,not hero worship and call other kibitzers "patzers"if they dont agree with everything fischer says and does??
<f4>keeps having a dig at my posts,telling ppl my username is an insult to john lennon etc...(im a lennon fan,not an obsessive...he is my hero if thats the correct word,but he was also flawed nonetheless.).. Some ppl are up there own backsides,yet 95% of ppl on here are interesting,pleasant,have good points of view,and i can learn from them... |
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