Harry Pillsbury vs Carl Schlechter (1904)

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Harry Pillsbury vs Carl Schlechter
Cambridge Springs (1904), Cambridge Springs, PA USA, rd 8, May-06
Spanish Game: Closed. Averbakh Variation (C87) · 1/2-1/2

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Nov-06-06		Kenkaku: I believe this is what is sometimes referred to as "war over the board"...

Mar-05-08		RookFile: These two guys were tremendous fighters.

Mar-05-08		0817: I'm missing something here... what's wrong with 69.Qxf4?

Mar-05-08		Calli: <0817> good point. Possibly the moves are out of order and it should be 68...d5 69.Qf2 f4 70.Qf3 etc. I wonder if User: CambridgeSprings1904 is around ?

Mar-05-08		suenteus po 147: According to the website that User: CambridgeSprings1904 created the actual order of moves in the game was <68...f4 69.Qf2 d5 70.Qf3>, and this after an adjournment following move 69.

Mar-06-08		Calli: 66...Qb8?? looks wrong. Why would Schlechter move there? Now White has an immediate win with 67.Qc6+ Ka5 68.Qa6+ Kb4 69.b6 Its pretty obvious. I don't see how Pillsbury could miss it or why Schlechter would play Qb8. The logical move is 66...Qe5 and now the score makes sense 67.Qf2+ Ka5 68.Qxh4 f4 69.Qf2 d5 70.Qf3 dxc4+ 71.Kxc4 Qxb5+ 72.Kd4 etc

Mar-06-08		suenteus po 147: <Calli> It seems that Schlechter did play 66...Qb8. See here: http://home.wi.rr.com/etzel/round8....

Mar-06-08		Calli: Still think the score here and on the Cambridge Springs site is wrong. The source is probably Reinfeld's book on CS1904. IIRC, Steve got the scores mainly from Reinfeld. Will try to get a hold of American Chess Bulletin 1904 and look it up there.

Mar-06-08		Phony Benoni: Wherever any possible errors came from, it wasn't Reinfeld. The tournament book cuts off the score after 43...Qxc5+ stating ..."the game was drawn on the 146th move".

Mar-06-08		CambridgeSprings1904: I'm traveling but will check the original tournament bulletins when I get home. The game scores on my site came from one of the early publicly-available electronic sources. As such, there may still be undiscovered errors. I've never found the time to do a game-by-game verification, but I am always interested in making corrections when errors are found.

Mar-07-08		Calli: <Phony Benoni> Thanks! A rare book, wish I had a copy! <CambridgeSprings1904> The original bulletins should settle it. In the meantime, I can get a look at ACB 1904 tomorrow.

Mar-07-08		Phony Benoni: <Calli> I would have thought that a game like this would have been studied so thoroughly from end to end that all such errors would have been found by now. Just goes to show you. By the way, if you can check the ACB you might also look at a later sequence. Nick Pope's collection of Pillsbury's games gives <116...Qe7> and <117...Kg7>, all other moves being the same as we have here (I think!).

Mar-07-08		Calli: Okay, American Chess Bulletin Vol 1, page 12, The Eighth round game between Mr. Pillsbury and Herr Schlechter of Austria at Table No 5 and the 66th move for Black was....(drumroll) Q-Kt In English Description Notation, this is incomplete. And since the queen can go to either b8 or g8, Qb8 would have to be written Q-QKt1. My guess is that the player wrote 66...Q-K4 on the scorecard and the '4' was misinterpreted as a t. The player was Pillsbury since Schlechter would have used algebraic. Possibly rushing to the adjournment at move 70 he scribbled somewhat illegibly. Thats my theory as I await <CambridgeSprings1904> to check the bulletins. I fear that the bulletins will also have Q-Kt because ACB probably copied bulletins.

Mar-07-08		Calli: <Phony> ACB has 116...Q-K2 and 117...K-Kt2 agreeing with J.Pope.

Mar-07-08		Phony Benoni: <Calli> Your theory sounds plausible. I checked a few online databases today, and they all repreduced the score we have here. If nothing else, we may have at least have grounds to correct Black's 116th and 117th, if not the 66th.

Mar-10-08		CambridgeSprings1904: <All> A quick check of the original tournament bulletins reveals the following moves: 66...Q-K4 <Qe5>, 116...Q-K2 <Qe7> and 117...K-Kt2 <Kg7>. So, three corrections are required. I'll fix my site as soon as I get a chance. I guess we should be thankful for the keyboard warriors who initially created the electronic game collections, but it is unfortunate that there are so many errors.

Mar-10-08		Calli: <CambridgeSprings1904> Excellent! 66...Qe5 it is. The reason is that 66...QB8 is bad that after 67.Qc6+ Ka5 68.Qa6+ Kb4 69.b6 click for larger view Black is lost against the threat of QB5+ and Kc2 followed by mate. He can only play Qe8 but that loses to QB5+ exchanging Queens and the b-pawn marches in. On the other hand, Schlechter's 66...Qe5! makes a big difference: After 66...Qe5 67.Qc6+ Ka5 68.Qa6+ Kb4 69.b6 We see that Black has a perpetual check starting with Qc3+ click for larger view

Jan-31-09		WhiteRook48: Black must be fond of setting stalemate traps

Mar-23-09		WhiteRook48: like 143...Qf8+

Aug-20-10		LIFE Master AJ: Can anyone say ... "LONG GAME" here? I really like Schlechter's repeated Queen sacks ... if Pillsbury takes, its a draw by stalemate.

Aug-20-10		I play the Fred: "LOON GMAE" "LAHN GAMEE" "LAWN GEM" Damn, I can't say it here.

Aug-20-10		LIFE Master AJ: Funny! :)

Dec-05-13		tamar: Score as it appears on the Cambridge Springs 1904 site. (60) Pillsbury - Schlechter, Ruy Lopez [C87] 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 d6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d4 Nd7 9.Nbd2 0-0 10.dxe5 dxe5 11.Nc4 f6 12.Na5 Nb8 13.Qe2 Be6 14.Be3 Qe8 15.Nb3 Nd7 16.Nh4 Bd6 17.Rad1 a5 18.Nf5 a4 19.Nd2 g6 20.Nxd6 cxd6 21.Bh6 Rf7 22.Nc4 Bxc4 23.Qxc4 Nb6 24.Qb4 Nc8 25.f4 Qe6 26.fxe5 Qxe5 27.Rf1 Ra5 28.Rd5 Rxd5 29.Qb8 Qe8 30.exd5 f5 31.dxc6 Qxc6 32.Qb4 Re7 33.Qd4 Re5 34.Rd1 Kf7 35.Rd2 Ke6 36.Bg7 Re1+ 37.Kf2 Re4 38.Qd3 Nb6 39.Re2 Rxe2+ 40.Qxe2+ Kf7 41.Bd4 Nd7 42.c4 Nc5 43.Bxc5 Qxc5+ 44.Kf1 Qd4 45.h3 h5 46.b4 axb3 47.axb3 h4 48.Qc2 Kf6 49.b4 Ke6 50.b5 Kd7 51.Ke2 Kc7 52.Qd3 Qf4 53.Kd1 Qf2 54.Qd5 Qf1+ 55.Kd2 Qf4+ 56.Kc2 Qf2+ 57.Kb3 Qe3+ 58.Ka4 Qe8 59.Qf3 Kb6 60.Qf2+ Kb7 61.Ka5 Qa8+ 62.Kb4 Qe8 63.Qf3+ Kb6 64.Kb3 Kc7 65.Kc2 Kb6 66.Kd3 Qe5 67.Qf2+ Ka5 68.Qxh4 f4 69.Qf2 d5 70.Qf3 dxc4+ 71.Kxc4 Qxb5+ 72.Kd4 Kb6 73.Qd5 Qb2+ 74.Kd3 Kc7 75.Qf7+ Kd8 76.Qd5+ Ke7 77.Qe4+ Kf7 78.Qxf4+ Kg8 79.Qc4+ Kh7 80.Qh4+ Kg8 81.Qd8+ Kh7 82.Qd7+ Kh6 83.Qg4 Qb1+ 84.Kd2 Qa2+ 85.Ke3 Qb3+ 86.Kf2 Qb2+ 87.Kg3 Qc3+ 88.Kh2 Qc7+ 89.Qg3 Qc1 90.Qe5 Qa3 91.Qh8+ Kg5 92.h4+ Kf5 93.Qd4 Ke6 94.Qf4 Qd3 95.Qg3 Qe4 96.Kh3 Kf6 97.Qg5+ Kf7 98.Qg4 Qe5 99.Qd7+ Kg8 100.Qd8+ Kg7 101.Qd3 Qe6+ 102.g4 Qc6 103.Qd4+ Kh7 104.Kg3 Qc7+ 105.Kf3 Qf7+ 106.Qf4 Qb3+ 107.Kg2 Qc2+ 108.Qf2 Qc6+ 109.Qf3 Qc2+ 110.Kh3 Qc7 111.Qd3 Kg7 112.Qd4+ Kh7 113.g5 Qc8+ 114.Kg3 Qc7+ 115.Kf3 Qb7+ 116.Kf2 Qe7 117.Qd5 Kg7 118.Kf3 Kh7 119.Kf4 Qc7+ 120.Ke4 Qe7+ 121.Kd4 Qa7+ 122.Ke5 Qe3+ 123.Qe4 Qb6 124.Qd4 Qc7+ 125.Ke6 Qf7+ 126.Kd6 Qf8+ 127.Kc7 Qf7+ 128.Qd7 Kh8 129.Kd8 Qf8+ 130.Qe8 Kh7 131.Kd7 Qf5+ 132.Qe6 Kg7 133.Kd6 Qf2 134.Qe5+ Kg8 135.Qe4 Kg7 136.Qe7+ Kg8 137.Kd7 Qxh4 138.Qe6+ Kh7 139.Qf7+ Kh8 140.Qf6+ Kh7 141.Ke8 Qa4+ 142.Kf8 Qa8+ 143.Kf7 Qf8+ 144.Ke6 Qc8+ 145.Ke7 Qb7+ 146.Ke8 Qb5+ Â½-Â½

Jun-04-20		Retireborn: The opening line with 9.Nbd2 seems to be extinct today - I've found a handful of games from the 70s, but thereafter nothing. If I've understood the corrected score properly, it's 68...f4 which is a fatal mistake; he should have gone for 68...Kb4 with the <Calli> idea of ...Qc3+. Then 69.Qf2! d5 (69...Kb4 70.Qd4 no longer works for Black) and now it's Pillsbury's turn to go wrong with 70.Qf3?, when 70.Qa7+! Kb4 71.Qd4 wins for White after 71...dxc4+ 72.Qxc4+ Ka5 73.Qc3+ Qxc3+ 74.Kxc3 Kxb5 75.Kd4 and the pawn ending is won.

Jun-05-20		RookFile: I liked 54. Qd5. A Karpov move. White says, nothing bad is happening to me today - I've got my half point, let's see if you can get yours.

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