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| Oct-06-05 | | theo2005: I still dont get this.... Fxe6 wins it for black.... I just dont see how white comes out on top if black makes that move... |
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| Oct-06-05 | | The17thPawn: <Gypsy> - sorry that should read 25. Rg1 |
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| Oct-06-05 | | Saruman: As a sidenote 29.c5 seems even stronger than Qd7. |
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| Oct-06-05 | | theo2005: Someone explain how white gets advantage!?
Black should win after 24...Fxe6
Theres no way that sacrifice by the knight will work out! |
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| Oct-06-05 | | theo2005: I think B ratner seriously screwup. He had this game. If he went and did Fxe6 |
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| Oct-06-05 | | AlexanderMorphy: Yeah the queen sacrifice was a mistake which cost him in the end. fxe6 would have been as many people have already said a much better play. white loses 2 rooks and the knight which adds up to 13, while black loses his queen + rook which adds up to 14...although black lacks a queen he still has some chances of victory, but white would probably have to make a serious mistake. |
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| Oct-06-05 | | gadfly: <Theo> It should be something along the follwoing lines. 24...fxe6 25. Rxd7 Nxd7 26.Qe6+ Kg7 27. Qxd7+ etc. and white is two pawns up. Alternatively, on move 26.Qe6+ Qf7 27. Rh8+ Kg7 27. Qxf7 Kxf7 28. Rxa8 and White is clearly winning. Or 26.Qe6+ Qf7 27. Rh8+ Kxh8 28. Qxf7 and white is clearly winning again. |
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| Oct-06-05 | | gadfly: 26.Qe6+ should read as 26.Qxe6+ in my line, BTW. |
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| Oct-06-05 | | Greginctw: <gadfly> your line is wrong. If 27. Kg7 white plays rh7+ |
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| Oct-06-05 | | kevin86: Nice attack by white. He nets a queen and two pawns for rook and knight;both of which are made inactive by white's powerful queen. Black is lost. BTW,there was a kid named RATNER in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" |
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| Oct-06-05 | | gadfly: <greginctw> I would not say that it is wrong, but I admit that yours is much better. Anyways, both are completely winning for white, although of course in your line, white takes the queen and the knight for just one rook, and it is a queen and two pawns up for white vs. a rook,while in mine, the queens are exchanges and white is a rook and two pawns up vs. knight, which is still clearly winning. Anyways, i admit the mistake, but I am doing all the calculations in my head, without a board to play it out on. |
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 | | Gypsy: <The17thPawn: <Gypsy> - In your second post. Is 24. Rg1 simply to avoid a rook trade and continue the attack or is there another purpose to the move?> You got it right. (Incidentally, Rgf1 would be a tad more accurate.) Here is a possible conclusion: <22...e5 23.Rh1 g5 24.Nf5+ Kg8 25.Ref1 Nc8 26.Qe1> (26Rh2? Rd1) <Ne7 27.Rh2 Nxf5 28.gxf5 Qc7 29.R1h1 Kf8 30.Rh8+ Ke7 31.Rxa8 > Doubled rooks on an open h-file like that are like two charging boars. Pieces try to climb trees and get out of the way, but seldom they all can. |
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| Oct-06-05 | | starscream74: A fun line not previously mentioned is if Black tries to move the Queen from harm,
24. ♘xe6 ♕e8 25. ♖h8+ ♔xh8 26. ♕h6+ ♔g8 27. ♕g7#
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| Oct-06-05 | | YouRang: I'm feeling kind of down due to Judit Polgar's poor performance so far in the WCC. Consequently, I wasn't in the mood to try hard on this problem, so I missed it. It's Judit's fault. |
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| Oct-06-05 | | tactz: Can't white play Rh2 or Rh3 or Rh4 or Rh6 followd by doubling of rooks even if ... 24....RXd4 |
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| Oct-06-05 | | suenteus po 147: After 9.O-O it looks like a Bronstein-Larsen Variation type position :) |
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| Oct-06-05 | | dsloc: im surprised i got today's puzzle so fast. Usually they take awhile
Well, guess i got lucky |
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| Oct-06-05 | | EmperorAtahualpa: I got almost the entire combination this time. I overlooked only one small element, namely if 24.Nxe6 fxe6 25.Rxd7 Nxd7 26.Qxe6+ Qf7 27.Rh8+ Kg7, then 28.Qh6#! |
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| Oct-06-05 | | Greginctw: <emperoratahualpa> 28. Qh6# is an impossible move. Both the f pawnand g pawn are in the way. The right move is rh7+ although qxf7 wins too. |
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| Oct-06-05 | | blingice: Saw the first knight move, but then thought that knight would get taken. |
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| Oct-07-05 | | patzer2: Bronstein's 24. Nxe6! wins a decisive pawn with the threat of adouble attack, despite Black's attempt to complicate. |
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| Oct-08-05 | | EmperorAtahualpa: You're completely right, <Greginctw>. Thanks, strange that I missed even two pawns, I guess I need to have my brains checked. :) |
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| Dec-23-08 | | WhiteRook48: doubled pawns... usually happens, but not in this style... or am i wrong |
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| Dec-29-09 | | LeBronstein: It is not too difficult to find: 24. Nxe6 fxe6 25. Rxd7 Nxd7 26. Qxe6+ Qf7 27. Rh8+. If 24. ... Qe7 then 25. Rh8+ Kxh8 26. Qh6+. The game took a different turn but the result was the same. --D.B. |
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| Sep-11-16 | | drollere: <It is not too difficult to find> no, it's very difficult to find! in my edition of "the sorcerer's apprentice" (2009) the note actually reads: "It's not too difficult to find 23. ... Kg8 24. Nxe6 fxe6 (24. ... Qe7 25. Rh8+ Kxh8 26. Qh6+) 25. Qxe6+ Qf7 26. Rh8+." it took me a while to realize the key moves Rxd7 Nxd7 had been omitted from the note. |
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