Magnus Carlsen vs Levon Aronian (2013)

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Magnus Carlsen vs Levon Aronian
Sinquefield Cup (2013), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 6, Sep-15
Spanish Game: Closed Variations (C84) · 1-0

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Sep-15-13		Domdaniel: Fischer did that once or twice in the 1992 Spassky rematch, staggering on punch-drunk in a totally lost position, as though unwilling to accept what had happened. Psychologically, it's understandable.

Sep-15-13		Ulhumbrus: The advice of both Lasker and Capablanca advice to Aronian would be the same: Search for the reasons why you lost.

Sep-15-13		ChemMac: Why did Aronian play b3 instead of Nd4? Time pressure blunder?

Sep-15-13		csmath: This stuff does not happen to Kramnik, Anand, and Magnus. this kind of stuff happens only to Aronian, Nakamura, and Morozevich.

Sep-15-13		asiduodiego: <Kinghunt> He was a pawn up. Yes it's easy to see that "he doesn't have any advantage" when you have a computer evaluation telling you that all the time.

Sep-15-13		Ulhumbrus: <asiduodiego: <Kinghunt> He was a pawn up. Yes it's easy to see that "he doesn't have any advantage" when you have a computer evaluation telling you that all the time.> Actually we could see that Black was tied up without a computer. What was not obvious was whether Black could find a way to free himself.

Sep-15-13		spysfi: Things happening to Moro, Lev and Naka: Temperamento they call it, and the boy is cold as ice

Sep-15-13		Dionysius1: I think the most natural way to interpret Carlsen's declining the draw is as "Jen and Yas" said - he was acting by his own principle of playing it out until the drawn position declared itself, or another result was obtained. And borne out by Aronian "Yes, but" he says to Maurice "we're not playing for the money here. We're playing chess". That strikes me as heart-lifting respect for chess, and for Sinquefield. These guys are heroes - statesmen while still in the middle of their professional activity. (When did we last see that among politicians?)

Sep-15-13		asiduodiego: <csmath> Interesting idea. Perhaps a more cool headed guy such as Anand, would have just decided: "There's no really a way to get an advantage here, let's settle for a draw". If that's the case in the WC match, there won't be victories for Carlsen such as this one, in which his opponent just collapsed trying to win at any cost.

Sep-15-13		chancho: Somewhere in the great beyond, Bobby Fischer's spirit is giving his seal of approval to Magnus Carlsen.

Sep-15-13		Hesam7: <csmath: This stuff does not happen to Kramnik, Anand, and Magnus. this kind of stuff happens only to Aronian, Nakamura, and Morozevich.> This type of thing happens when you play "active" move for the sake of activity.

Sep-15-13		Hesam7: I missed most of the live coverage when exactly did Aronian offer a draw?

Sep-15-13		Jambow: Magnus Carlsen proves there is chess beyond the opening!!! Bravo kid. Vishy what do you need for this WC match, <Depends> on what? no I need a pair of adult diapers I think....

Sep-15-13		tamar: I think the draw offer was after 47...Kb7

Sep-15-13		csmath: If black wanted to free himself he could have done so much earlier by giving away pawn on a6 and moving b rook back to 7th rank. Once he stuck his king to b6 there was nothing left than to take a draw. I thought for a moment he might still be able to release knights by giving away a6 pawn but he would not have been able to release rooks. However, Aronian did the most stupid thing [he said "played like an idiot"] and started moving king back while overlooking tactics [not so easy to see though]. Why not taking a draw by repetition? That was really, really puzzling.

Sep-15-13		Kinghunt: <asiduodiego> There's a big difference between advantage and winning. Aronian claimed he was technically winning - that's a big claim to make, especially given that for that pawn, his pieces were horribly uncoordinated.

Sep-15-13		Ulhumbrus: One kibitzer here indicated that the capture 28...Nb7xa5 was an error. In the position after 28 Ra4 Black is playing with an extra king because Black's king defends the e5 pawn whereas White's king does no useful work of equivalent value. This suggests putting the remaining pieces to work by 28...Nd6 eg 29 Ne3 h5 followed by Rd8-Rb8-b5

Sep-15-13		csmath: <Hesam7: <csmath: This stuff does not happen to Kramnik, Anand, and Magnus. this kind of stuff happens only to Aronian, Nakamura, and Morozevich.> This type of thing happens when you play "active" move for the sake of activity.> Not really. 43. ...Kc8 and 44. ...Rd8 are not active moves by any stretch of imagination. Those are pointless moves without any particular idea behind and done without much calculations.

Sep-15-13		devere: Press conference in St Louis at 5:10 PM Central Time (6:10 PM Eastern) which should be covered at http://www.uschesschamps.com/live

Sep-15-13		csmath: Anand should take notice. I think Anand needs to do some jogging and gym. I think he is physically not prepare to sustain grinding. I am sure he will not be doing anything stupid but Anand is not physically fit and with Magnus that will play a role. This is also probably the reason why Aronian has failed here and in London this year.

Sep-15-13		technical draw: Who ever thought you'd have to go to gym to play chess? I can't imagine Botvinnik lifting weights.

Sep-15-13		micartouse: <td> Haha I think he actually did though! If OMGP is to be believed, Botvinnik kept in fine condition even when he was no longer a contender.

Sep-15-13		chancho: Here's a link on Botvinnik: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...

Sep-15-13		devere: On move 35 It seems that White might have forced a draw with Ke2 Nd4+ 36.Kf2, when Black has nothing better than N(d)c6 repeating the position. Instead he played 35.Nd1 inviting Aronian's rook to invade the second rank, which seemed much riskier. I wonder if Carlsen deliberately avoided the draw? I think that Aronian missed his best chance on move 42...Nd4, 43.Kf1 N(a)c6 which gives back the a-pawn, but untangles his pieces and gives him fighting chances. After 42...Kb7 it was all downhill for Aronian.

Sep-15-13		csmath: <On move 35 It seems that White might have forced a draw with Ke2 Nd4+ 36.Kf2, when Black has nothing better than N(d)c6 repeating the position. Instead he played 35.Nd1 inviting Aronian's rook to invade the second rank, which seemed much riskier. I wonder if Carlsen deliberately avoided the draw?> No. I think you did not notice that 35. Ke2 Nd4 involves hidden tactics that was indeed resolved by 36. Kf2!. I believe Magnus saw the tactics but did not have time to calculate 35. Ke2 consequences (just minutes on the clock) so he simply avoided 35. Ke2. Sometimes when you do not have time to calculate that impacts your decision. I am sure that in the situation where he would have more time he would have played 35. Ke2.

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