Albin Planinc vs Dragoljub Velimirovic (1975) Veli, Vidi, Vici

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Albin Planinc vs Dragoljub Velimirovic
"Veli, Vidi, Vici" (game of the day Oct-22-2009)
Yugoslav Championship (1975), Novi Sad YUG, Feb-18
Sicilian Defense: Dragon Variation. Yugoslav Attack (B78) · 0-1

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Oct-22-09		lzromeu: <anand: Hello All. I am unable to see why white resigns.I do not see the immediate danger white is in. Moreover, white has a very good move in Bb2 which threatens forced mate. I am stuck with this move Bb2 and am unable to think about any other move.> 50 Bb2 Rd2+ and black take a bishop, or Queen, and the g2pawn was death too. The position is unhopeless for white. 1 or 2 extra pawn for black and better structure. Looks to: 50. Qe1 (or 50. Qe2 Qxe2) Qxe1+ 51. Kxe1 Bxg2 52. Rxb5 Bxh3 (or 52 h4 rb7

Oct-22-09		jonico: This game must be incomplete. My continuation could be 50. Bb2 Qh1 51. Rg5 Rd1 52. Qc3 Qf1+ 53. Kg3...Black play :) Greets, (am a beginner in chess)

Oct-22-09		psmith: <jonico>, <lzromeu>, <frenchfan> Suggestion: read earlier posts before commenting. Why fill up the page with the same thing over and over again? <jonico>: see the reply by <lzromeu> directly above your post. 50. Bb2 Rd2+ wins.

Oct-22-09		whiteshark: <luzhin> Beautiful, indeed. It looks to me as if <15.Bb3> was the decisive mistake. For example, after <15.Bd4 Bxb5 16.Nxb5 Nc6 17.Bb3 Nxd4 18.Nxd4> white's king is perfectly safe and he is a pawn up. click for larger view

Oct-22-09		Jimfromprovidence: <eaglewing> You like 50 Qe2 in this position, but be aware that black does not have to exchange queens but has instead 50.…Qd4+, threatening 51…Qxb4. click for larger view Now after 51 Be3, (51 Qe3 Qxb4) then 51…Qe4, threatening either 52… Qxb4 or 52…Qxg2+. After 52 Qf3 Qxb4, black is ahead two pawns with a dangerous passed pawn to boot. click for larger view

Oct-22-09		WhiteRook48: Caesar!

Oct-22-09		eaglewing: <Jimfromprovidence> You are right, first I thought 50. Qe2 Qd4+ 51. Kf1 Qxb4 52. Rxb5 could solve the queenside fine for White, but 52. Qa4 brings immediately such kind of problems, which cannot be overcome. On 50. Qe1 my old Fritz 7 slays me mercilessly with 50...Qb3 and declining exchange of Queens. Soon both heavy pieces on rows 1-3 and attacks on g2 with B+Q cannot be answered, there is more lost than just the Pb4. White cannot reorganise its pieces, especially the Rook seems just to be there to offer the Black Queen another (double) threat. Why this is obviously for the GM's at move 50 is still beyond me, because I felt my defense ideas had been overcome by perfect computer tactics, and a few moves had to be done, so why not at least try against another human? Another remark: I have not encountered a line with exchange of Queens, so I still don't think this is a good idea.

Oct-22-09		RandomVisitor: 3 minutes per move: Albin Planinc - Dragoljub Velimirovic [B78] YUG-ch Novi Sad, 1975 [Rybka 3 ] 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 Nc6 8.Qd2 0-0 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.0-0-0 Qb8 11.Bb3 a5 12.Ndb5 a4 13.Bxa4 Rc8 last book move 14.Qe2 0.34/18 Na5 0.55/17 [Rybka 3 : 14...Ne8 15.Bb3 0.34/18 ] 15.Bb3 -0.88/18 [Rybka 3 : 15.g4 Nc4 16.Bb3 Nxe3 17.Qxe3 Ra5 18.Nd4 Qa7 19.g5 Nh5 20.f4 Bxd4 21.Rxd4 e5 22.fxe5 dxe5 23.Rd3 Nf4 24.Bxf7+ 0.55/17 ] 15...Nxb3+ -0.64/17 16.axb3 -0.73/16 d5 -0.64/17 17.exd5? -2.36/17 [Rybka 3 : 17.Kb1 dxe4 18.Bd4 e5 19.Bb6 exf3 20.gxf3 Ra6 21.Na4 e4 22.fxe4 Bg4 23.Qg2 Bxd1 24.Rxd1 Qe5 25.Nbc3 Qf4 26.e5 Qxe5 27.Qxb7 Raa8 28.Qf3 Qh5 -0.64/17 ] 17...Qe5?= -0.21/21 [Rybka 3 : 17...Bxb5 18.Qxb5 Rxc3 19.bxc3 Ne4 20.Rd3 Nd6 21.Qd7 Ra1+ 22.Kb2 Rxh1 23.Bb6 Bh6 24.h3 Bc1+ 25.Ka2 Bf4 26.Qd8+ Qxd8 27.Bxd8 Kf8 28.c4 Rh2 29.c5 Nb5 30.c6 Rxg2 31.Kb2 Be5+ 32.Kc1 Nd6 -2.36/17 ] 18.f4 -0.21/19 Ra1+ -0.21/22 19.Kd2 -0.21/21 Ne4+ -0.21/21 20.Ke1 -0.21/20 Rxd1+ 0.00/20 21.Kxd1 -0.09/18 Qf5= 0.00/19 [Rybka 3 : 21...Nxc3+ 22.Nxc3 Qd6 23.h3 b5 24.Qd2 Qa6 25.d6 Rc6 26.dxe7 Rd6 27.Nd5 Qa1+ 28.Ke2 Qxh1 29.e8Q+ Bxe8 30.Ne7+ Kh8 31.Qxd6 Qxg2+ 32.Kd3 Qh1 33.Bd4 Qxh3+ 34.Kd2 Qg2+ 35.Kc1 h5= -0.09/18 ] 22.Kc1 -0.57/19 [Rybka 3 : 22.g4 Qxg4 23.Nxe4 Qf5 24.Nec3 Bxc3 25.Nxc3 Rxc3 26.bxc3 Qxd5+ 27.Kc1 Qxh1+ 28.Kb2 Qc6 29.Bd4 Qe6 30.Qd2 f6 31.c4 Bc6 32.Bc5 Kf7 33.Qd8 Qd7= 0.00/19 ] 22...Ra8 -0.57/18 23.Kb1? -2.66/19 [Rybka 3 : 23.Nb1 Ra2 24.N5c3 Nxc3 25.bxc3 Qe4 26.Rd1 Bg4 27.Qd3 Qxg2 28.Rg1 Qh3 29.Bc5 Qxd3 30.cxd3 Bf3 31.Re1 Bh6 32.Be3 Bxd5 33.Nd2 Be6 34.Kb1 Ra5 35.Kc2 Bg7 36.Kb2 Rh5 37.Re2 Rh3 38.Kc2 -0.57/18 ] 23...Nxc3+?= 0.15/21 [Rybka 3 : 23...Qf6 24.Nd4 -2.66/19 ] 24.Nxc3 0.19/20 Qf6 0.30/19 25.Bc1?? -2.52/20 [Rybka 3 : 25.Qd3 Qd6 26.Bd4 Bf5 27.Be5 Qxe5 28.fxe5 Bxd3 29.cxd3 Bxe5 30.Re1 Bd6 31.g3 Kf8 32.Re4 f5 33.Ra4 Ra6 34.Kc2 Kf7 35.Nb5 Bb8 36.Nd4 Kf6 37.Ne6 0.30/19 ] 25...b5 -2.12/18 26.Ne4? -3.93/20 [Rybka 3 : 26.Rd1 Qa6 27.Na4 bxa4 28.Qxa6 Rxa6 29.bxa4 Rxa4 30.d6 Kf8 31.Be3 exd6 32.Rxd6 Ke8 33.h3 Re4 34.Rd3 Bb5 35.Ra3 Bf1 36.Bd2 Rd4 37.Kc1 Rd7 38.g3 Bxh3 -2.12/18 ]

Oct-22-09		RandomVisitor: continued: 26...Qa6 -3.73/18 27.c3 -3.73/17 Bxc3? -1.84/18 [Rybka 3 : 27...Qa1+ 28.Kc2 b4 29.Rd1 bxc3 30.Nxc3 Bf5+ 31.Kd2 Bxc3+ 32.Ke3 Rc8 33.bxc3 Rxc3+ 34.Kf2 Rxc1 35.Rxc1 Qxc1 36.Qe3 Qa3 37.h4 Qb4 -3.73/17 ] 28.Nxc3 -2.96/21 [Rybka 3 : 28.Kc2 Bg7 29.Kd2 Qb6 30.Rd1 Bf5 31.g4 Bxg4 32.Qxg4 Qd4+ 33.Kc2 Qxe4+ 34.Rd3 Qh1 35.Qd1 Qxh2+ 36.Kb1 h5 37.d6 exd6 38.Rxd6 Qg2 39.Qd2 Qe4+ 40.Qd3 Qxd3+ 41.Rxd3 Bf6 42.Rh3 Kg7 43.Bd2 -1.84/18 ] 28...Bf5+ -2.96/20 29.Ne4 -2.91/20 Qa2+ -2.91/20 30.Kc2 -2.91/20 Rc8+ -2.11/20 31.Kd2 -2.91/20 Qxb3 -2.91/20 32.Qd3 -2.91/19 Qb4+ -2.91/19 33.Ke3 -3.11/18 Rc4 -2.11/18 34.Nf6+?? -4.81/20 [Rybka 3 : 34.Qa3 Rxe4+ 35.Kf3 Qc4 36.Be3 Qxd5 37.Kf2 b4 38.Qa7 Qb3 39.Re1 Qxb2+ 40.Re2 Qb1 41.h3 h5 42.Qa2 Qd3 43.Qd2 Qc4 44.Qb2 b3 45.Rd2 Kh7 46.Rd1 Qe6 47.Re1 -2.11/18 ] 34...exf6 -4.41/20 35.Qa3 -4.41/19 Re4+ -4.41/19 36.Kf2 -5.12/18 Qd4+? -2.63/18 [Rybka 3 : 36...Qc4 37.Kg3 -5.12/18 ] 37.Kg3 -2.79/19 Qxd5 -1.58/20 [Rybka 3 : 37...Re2 38.Qf3 Qc4 39.Qc3 Rxg2+ 40.Kxg2 Qxd5+ 41.Kg1 Qd1+ 42.Kg2 Be4+ 43.Kf2 Qxh1 44.Ke3 Bb7 45.Bd2 Qf3+ 46.Kd4 Qd5+ 47.Ke3 Qe4+ 48.Kf2 -2.79/19 ] 38.Qf3 -1.76/19 Qe6 -1.40/19 39.Rd1 -1.64/21 Kg7 -1.43/20 40.Rd3 -2.51/21 [Rybka 3 : 40.h3 Re2 41.Rd4 Rc2 42.Qe3 Qb6 43.Bd2 Rxb2 44.Bc3 Rc2 45.Bb4 h5 46.Qe7 Be6 47.Qd8 Qb7 48.Rd2 Rc8 49.Qd6 Qe4 50.Qd4 Qe1+ 51.Rf2 Qc1 -1.43/20 ] 40...Rc4 -2.51/22 41.Re3 -2.51/21 Be4 -2.27/20 42.Qe2 -2.75/19 Qf5? -0.94/21 [Rybka 3 : 42...b4 43.Bd2 f5 44.h3 Rc2 45.Qe1 Rxb2 46.Re2 Qc4 47.Rf2 Rc2 48.Be3 b3 49.Rxc2 bxc2 50.Bc1 h5 51.Kf2 Qc6 52.g3 -2.75/19 ] 43.Rc3 -0.96/19 Ra4 -0.74/19 44.Qd2 -0.99/20 [Rybka 3 : 44.h3 Rd4 45.Be3 Rd8 46.Rc5 Qe6 47.Kh2 Bc6 48.Rc1 b4 49.Re1 Ba8 50.Bc5 Qf5 51.Be3 Rc8 -0.74/19 ] 44...Ra7 -0.99/20 45.Qe3 -1.35/21 [Rybka 3 : 45.h3 Rd7 46.Qf2 b4 47.Rc5 Qe6 48.Kh2 Re7 49.Bd2 Qb3 50.f5 Bxf5 51.Qh4 h5 52.Qxb4 Qxb4 53.Bxb4 Re2 54.Bc3 Be4 55.Rg5 Rc2 56.Rg3 Bb7 -0.99/20 ] 45...Rd7 -1.33/19 46.Rc5 -1.35/21 Qe6 -1.25/18 47.Kf2 -1.35/19 Qd6 -1.25/19 48.b4 -1.64/19 [Rybka 3 : 48.f5 Bxf5 49.Qh6+ Kg8 50.Rc8+ Rd8 51.Rxd8+ Qxd8 52.Qd2 Qb6+ 53.Qe3 Qc6 54.Qc3 Qe4 55.Be3 Qh4+ 56.Kg1 Be4 57.Qb4 Qg4 58.Qd2 h5 59.b4 Kg7 60.h3 Qg3 -1.25/19 ] 48...Bb7 -1.64/17 49.h3 -1.80/19 Qd1 -1.62/18 0-1

Oct-22-09		Jimfromprovidence: <eaglewing> <Why this is obviously for the GM's at move 50 is still beyond me, because I felt my defense ideas had been overcome by perfect computer tactics, and a few moves had to be done, so why not at least try against another human? > I agree with your statement. <Random Visitor>’s Rybka analysis showed black with a 1.62 advantage at the point of resignation. Why not play on for a while, especially with both queens and a pair of rooks on the board? It would be interesting if <RV> posted the best continuation as well. FWIW, Here’s the Sunday puzzle from September 27th. The annotations show a draw occurring with correct play, even though white would have been up by two pawns. Bogoljubov vs Ed Lasker, 1924

Oct-22-09		RandomVisitor: After 49...Qd1: 1: Albin Planinc - Dragoljub Velimirovic, YUG-ch Novi Sad 1975 click for larger view Analysis by Rybka 3 : <19-ply> 1. (-1.65): 50.Qe1 Qb3 51.Qc3 Qb1 52.Qe1 Rd3 53.Rc7 Bd5 54.Rc8 Rd4 55.Qe2 Rxb4 56.Qc2 Be6 57.Rc5 Qxc2+ 58.Rxc2 Ra4 59.Ke3 b4 60.Bb2 b3 61.Rd2 h5 62.Bd4 2. (-1.95): 50.Qe2 Qd4+ 51.Qe3 Qxb4 52.g4 h6 53.g5 hxg5 54.fxg5 fxg5 55.Qc3+ Qxc3 56.Rxc3 Bd5 57.Rc5 b4 58.Rb5 b3 59.Bb2+ f6 60.Rb6 Rf7 61.Rd6 Bc4 62.Rc6 Bd3 63.Rb6 Bc2 64.Ke3

Oct-23-09		Jimfromprovidence: To <Random Visitor>. Thanks very much.

Oct-23-09		psmith: Hey everybody: I still think Black would likely win after the exchange of Queens on e2 or e1, as long as Rooks stay on the board. The Sunday puzzle posted by <Jimfromprovidence> gives a draw precisely because the Rooks go off the board. I am convinced that 50. Qe1 Qb3 and 50. Qe2 Qd4+ are good continuations, but I'd be curious about Rybka's evals of 50. Qe1 Qxe1+ and 50. Qe2 Qxe2+ nonetheless.

Oct-26-09		kevin86: Black's domination of the white-colored squares decides this one!

Dec-12-10		hanshof: <BLACK-out maybe?>

Apr-18-12		wordfunph: game story.. <Yugoslav Championship in Novi Sad 1975: In his game against Drasko Velimirovic, GM Albin Planinc was offered a draw and after some hesitation he apparently answered: "No, I can’t accept a draw, Drasko, for my position is lost." He played on and duly lost the game.>

Apr-18-12		GITorquemada: Which means he had all been planinc to resign when the draw offer was made.

Apr-18-12		qqdos: <GIT> as puns go, that went!

Apr-05-17		Fusilli: <wordfunph: game story..> Hard to believe, my friend. Do you have the source?

Apr-10-17		Howard: Didn't this gem take first place in a 1975 Informant volume for best game?

Apr-11-17		Howard: Yes, it took first place for Volume 19. The Informant also indicated, incidentally, that Black lost on time though it didn't matter---his position was already gone. Too bad Planinc lost this game...but then he DID win the second-place game for Volume 19. It was a 25-move miniature against Vaganian.

Dec-13-17		Howard: It just seems that the final position is rather murky, even though it's apparently a win for Black. Too bad White lost on time--it would have been interesting to see this played out.

Apr-14-18		Howard: Just noticed last night that this game was "Game of the Month" in the June, 1975 issue of CL&R! Can't believe I didn't notice that earlier!

Apr-16-18		Howard: Gligoric mentions in the June, 1975 issue of CL&R that a better test of Black's 12th move pawn sacrifice would have been 13...Nxa5, because that move threatens 14.Nb6. He points out that that move was played in Stein-Salov 1962, which led to "a complex struggle". Black won that game, by the way.

Apr-16-18		Howard: Gligoric mentions in the June, 1975 issue of CL&R that a better test of Black's 12th move pawn sacrifice would have been 13...Nxa5, because that move threatens 14.Nb6. He points out that that move was played in Savon-Stein 1962, which led to "a complex struggle". Black won that game, by the way.

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