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Aug-05-17 | | AlicesKnight: I saw that Bxg7 was key before Black could block with ...e5, but thought Black might try for ...f5 and ...Ne6 after 15.Qh6 - but now I don't think it helps much. |
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Aug-05-17 | | whiteshark: The sacrifice at g7 or g2 is intended to demolish the opponent's King-side pawn structure, setting up possible mating attacks, decisive win of material or won endgame positions. --> Game Collection: 70d_middlegame SACS on g7 (of g2) |
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Aug-05-17 | | agb2002: The prosaic 14.e5 is met with 14... g6 followed by dxe5. This suggests 14.Bxg7: A) 14... Kxg7 15.Qh6+
A.1) 15... Kg8 16.e5 f5 17.gxf6
A.1.a) 17... Kf7 18.Qxh7+ Ke8 19.Bg6+ Rf7 20.Qxf7#. A.1.b) 17... Rf7 18.Rhg1+ Kh8 19.Rg7 Nf8 20.Rxf7 wins. A.1.c) 17... Nxf6 18.exf6 Rxf6 19.Qxh7+ Kf8 20.Rhg1 Ke8 (20... bxc3 21.Q(R)g8#) 21.Rg8+ Bf8 22.Bg6+ Rxg6 23.Qxg6+ and 24.Ne4 + - [R+N+P vs 2b]. A.2) 15... Kh8 16.e5 f5 17.gxf6
A.2.a) 17... Rf7 18.Bxe7 Q(R)xe7 19.exd6 followed by Ne4 with an extra pawn and attack. A.2.b) 17... Nxf6 18.exf6 Rf7 19.fxe7 wins a piece. B) 14... bxc3 15.e5 f5(6) (15... cxb2+ 16.Kb1 doesn't seem to change anything) 16.gxf6 looks winning (16... Nxf6 17.exf6 Bxf6 18.Qxh7+ Kf7 19.Bf6+ Ke7 20.Bxf8+ Kxf8 21.Qf7#). C) 14... e5 15.Bxf8 wins decisive material. |
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Aug-05-17 | | ChessHigherCat: Corrected annotation (my nemesis):
I think it probably starts with 14. Bxg7 because otherwise black could play g6 and/or e5. If 14...dxc3 15. e5 threatening Qxh7#
15..f5 16. g takes en passant and it's got to be over soon with the open g file and attack on h7 If 14...Kxg7 15. Qh6+ Kh8 16. e5 and same as above. If 14...f5 15. g takes en passant again, although I here I think there might be a better solution. |
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Aug-05-17 | | malt: 14.e5 is met with ...g6 15.Qf3 de5
Looks like 14.B:g7 K:g7 15.e5 Rh8 16.Ne4 N:e5 17.Qh6+ Kg8 18.Nf6+ B:f6 19.gf6 Qf8 20.Qg5+ Ng6 21.h5 Qe8 22.hg6 fg6 I was thinking maybe 23.Rh6 Ra7 |
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Aug-05-17 | | wtpy: Got the first two moves.Saw 14.. Nc5 15. Qh6 but did not take into account Re8. When confronted with an unseen defensive resource in a POD, I try to figure out next moves and if I get them will usually give myself credit or at least partial credit for the puzzle. Sadly, on this occasion I went down the
rabbit hole of 17 Bf6, even though I saw 17..Bf8. I thought white could back out with Qh5,that black would have to lose time moving his queen and that the destruction of black's kingside pawns would be sufficient for white to win. However 18..Qa5 probably puts the kabosh on that theory, as it probably forces 19 Nb1 to save the knight and after 19 ..Qa2 black's attack may well arrive first. |
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Aug-05-17 | | wtpy: I wonder if Vlastimil Babula is the son of B. Babalula who perhaps arrived at Ellis Island and like Vito Corleone was forced to change his name. |
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Aug-05-17 | | wtpy: And in the above post, I dont mean maybe. |
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Aug-05-17 | | wtpy: And now I will be singing BeBopalula she's my baby to myself for the rest of the day. Good thing it is Saturday. |
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Aug-05-17 | | RandomVisitor: On 14.Bxg7 <Kxg7> there is 15.Qh6+ Kh8 16.e5 f5 17.g6 Rf7 18.gxf7 Qf8 19.Qxf8 Bxf8 20.Rhg1 Bg7 and now click for larger viewStockfish_17080203_x64_modern: <4 minutes computer time> +5.58/36 21.f4 bxc3 22.Rg3 Nxe5 23.fxe5 Ra7 24.exd6 Rxf7 25.Bxa6 Bd7 26.bxc3 Bh6+ 27.Kb1 f4 28.Rgd3 f3 29.Rf1 f2 30.c4 e5 31.Bb7 Bf5 32.Be4 Bxe4 33.d7 Rxd7 34.Rxd7 Be3 35.Rf7 Bc6 36.Kb2 Bd4+ 37.Kb3 Kg8 38.Rf6 Bb7 39.R1xf2 Bxf2 40.Rxf2 Kg7 41.Kc3 Bc6 42.c5 Bd5 43.Kd3 +4.12/36 21.Ne4 fxe4 22.Bxe4 Ra7 23.Rxd6 Nf8 24.Rd8 Rxf7 25.Rxc8 Bxe5 26.f3 Bd6 27.Rg4 Rd7 28.Bd3 a5 29.Ra8 Rf7 30.Be4 a4 31.Rxa4 h5 32.Rg1 Bc5 33.Rd1 Rc7 34.Kb1 Kg7 35.Ra5 Kf6 36.Rb5 Ke7 37.f4 Nd7 38.Re1 e5 39.Bf3 Bf2 40.Re2 Bxh4 41.Rxb4 Bg3 42.fxe5 |
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Aug-05-17 | | RandomVisitor: Since 13.Bd3 can be met by 13...Ne5 14.Bxe5 dxe5 15.Bxb5 Qb6 16.Bc4 (or Ba4) Qxf2, white might try the simple 13.a3: click for larger viewStockfish_17080203_x64_modern: <24 minutes computer time> <+0.50/37 13.a3 Bb7 14.Kb1 e5 15.Be3> Rb8 16.Qe2 Nb6 17.Qd3 Na4 18.Nxa4 bxa4 19.f3 Qc7 20.Qc4 Qa5 21.Qb4 Qc7 22.Qxa4 d5 23.exd5 Bxd5 24.Rxd5 Qc3 25.Bc1 Qxf3 26.Bg2 Qxg2 27.Rhd1 Rfc8 28.Rxe5 Bxa3 29.Qe4 Qxe4 30.Rxe4 Bc5 31.Ra4 Rc6 32.b3 f6 33.Rd7 fxg5 34.hxg5 |
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Aug-05-17
 | | PawnSac: < 7he5haman: 18.Bc4 was the penultimate blow - did Black really never have time for, or could not get away with, the intermezzo Nxd3+?
Maybe because of the eventual Rxd3-Bxe5 motif, whereby the black d-pawn is pinned against the black queen, and white threatens Qg7# > No time for Nxd3 black is scrambling to get defense for white squares. But you answered your own question pretty much. I think 13. Bd3 < Ne5 > 14. Bxe5 dxe5 15. Bxb5 Qb6 16. Ba4 Qxf2 looks about equal and much more solid for black. |
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Aug-05-17
 | | PawnSac: oh! and now I notice < RandomVisitor: Since 13.Bd3 can be met by 13...Ne5 > already posted on that. I guess i should read the comments all the way to the bottom before posting! lol |
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Aug-05-17 | | malt: Gone down the wrong rabbit hole, with 14.B:g7 K:g7 15.e5 < 15.Qh6+ > |
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Aug-05-17 | | ChessHigherCat: <malt: Gone down the wrong rabbit hole, with 14.B:g7 K:g7 15.e5 < 15.Qh6+ > Yes, I went down the 15. Qh6+ rabbit hole and was surprised not to see you there. It's easy to get the wrong address when you're late for a very important date. |
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Aug-05-17 | | RandomVisitor: <wtpy>Be-bop-ba-bula, 13...Ne5 I mean, maybe.. |
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Aug-05-17 | | wtpy: RV, I was begin to think that there were nothing but
philistenes at this site. And Ne5 looks like a definite improvement. |
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Aug-05-17 | | RandomVisitor: <wtpy>Since the 10.Qh5 attack does not seem to produce immediate results, maybe he can do better in the long run with quiet positional play and 10.Qd2: click for larger viewStockfish_17080203_x64_modern: <13 minutes computer time> <+0.69/37 10.Qd2 Nde5 11.0-0-0> Ng4 12.Nxc6 bxc6 13.Bf4 Rb8 14.Bg3 Qb6 15.b3 e5 16.Na4 Qb4 17.Qxb4 Rxb4 18.Re1 f5 19.exf5 Rxf5 20.Bh3 Rf7 21.Nb2 Rb8 22.Nd3 Bf5 23.f3 Bxd3 24.Bxg4 Bf5 25.Bxf5 Rxf5 26.f4 exf4 27.Bxf4 Rb7 28.Rhf1 Rf7 29.Bd2 Rxf1 30.Rxf1 c5 31.Bc3 d5 32.Bb2 |
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Aug-05-17 | | ChessHigherCat: If Vlastimil's middle name were Robert, you could call him V. Bob Babula. |
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Aug-05-17 | | drollere: i looked at variations around something like
14. Bxg7 Kxg7
15. Qh6+ Kg8
16. e5 f5
17. g5xf6 e.p. etc.
i didn't see Nc5 as a defense but in that case why not just take the KR without Qh6? (of course, Qh6 threatens Bf6 and mate). white is up the exchange and will shortly have 2 Rs bearing on the black K. |
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Aug-05-17 | | wtpy: CHcat, Nice. My faith in the chessgames.com folks fondness for name jokes and classic music has now been restored. Sadly my faith in many other things is still lacking. |
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Aug-05-17 | | Leole: Here is my solution:
16.Rhg1!(instead of Ne2)bxc3 17.g6!+-
However, I consider the text a more practical, hence better solution. It wins without any risks. |
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Aug-05-17 | | RandomVisitor: After 9...0-0 white has Qd2, f4, Be2 and a3:
 click for larger viewStockfish_17080203_x64_modern: <8.5 hours computer time> <+0.82/47 10.a3 Nb6 11.Qe2> Nxd4 12.Bxd4 e5 13.Bxb6 Qxb6 14.Nd5 Qa5+ 15.c3 Bd8 16.0-0-0 Qc5 17.Bh3 Be6 18.Bf5 b5 19.Kb1 Qc4 20.Qxc4 bxc4 21.Ne3 Be7 22.Bxe6 fxe6 23.Nxc4 Rad8 24.Rdf1 Rc8 25.Nd2 g6 26.f3 Kg7 27.Kc2 h6 28.gxh6+ Kxh6 29.b4 Rf4 30.Kb3 Rb8 31.Rd1 Kh5 32.a4 d5 33.b5 Rff8 34.Rh2 Bd6 35.exd5 exd5 36.Rdh1 d4 |
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Aug-06-17 | | stst: One route:
14.e5 (threatens Qxh7#) g6
15.Qh6 f5
16.PxP e.p. Rf7
17.h5 Qf8
18.Qg5 Bxf2
19.exf6 ... |
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Aug-06-17 | | patzer2: <RV> Great analysis of the improvement 13...Ne5 =, as well as suggestions for an earlier improvement for White with 13. a3 ⩲ to ± or 10. Qd2 ±. From Black's perspective, I think it would be wise to follow the strong preference of strong players and ditch 6...Nc6 in favor of the popular move 6...h6. |
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