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🏆 New York (1924)

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In December 1923, following an aborted attempt to arrange a World Championship match between Capablanca and Alekhine, ... [more]

Player: Fred Dewhirst Yates

 page 1 of 1; 20 games  PGN Download 
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Yates vs Alekhine 0-1351924New YorkC72 Ruy Lopez, Modern Steinitz Defense, 5.O-O
2. Yates vs Janowski ½-½451924New YorkC79 Ruy Lopez, Steinitz Defense Deferred
3. Tartakower vs Yates 1-0441924New YorkC33 King's Gambit Accepted
4. Yates vs Ed. Lasker 1-0541924New YorkC91 Ruy Lopez, Closed
5. Marshall vs Yates ½-½401924New YorkA48 King's Indian
6. Reti vs Yates 1-0311924New YorkA13 English
7. Capablanca vs Yates 1-0771924New YorkA48 King's Indian
8. Yates vs Maroczy 0-1691924New YorkC13 French
9. Yates vs Bogoljubov 0-1331924New YorkC91 Ruy Lopez, Closed
10. Lasker vs Yates ½-½551924New YorkC87 Ruy Lopez
11. Ed. Lasker vs Yates  0-1501924New YorkA48 King's Indian
12. Janowski vs Yates 0-1811924New YorkA48 King's Indian
13. Alekhine vs Yates 1-0321924New YorkE76 King's Indian, Four Pawns Attack
14. Bogoljubov vs Yates 1-0901924New YorkD65 Queen's Gambit Declined, Orthodox, Rubinstein Attack, Main line
15. Yates vs Lasker 0-1531924New YorkB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
16. Yates vs Tartakower 1-0501924New YorkB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
17. Yates vs Reti 1-0241924New YorkB18 Caro-Kann, Classical
18. Yates vs Capablanca ½-½291924New YorkC91 Ruy Lopez, Closed
19. Yates vs Marshall  0-1411924New YorkC90 Ruy Lopez, Closed
20. Maroczy vs Yates 1-0371924New YorkC90 Ruy Lopez, Closed
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Jun-02-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  RookFile: This tournament even had the great Geza Maroczy in it, who put a 50 percent up on the board.
Jun-03-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <ughaibu: Had Tarrasch played, would he have scored 11.5?>

That looks like a very likely score. Higher than Marshall and Réti but just below the big three. 11 or 11½ looks reasonable.

Jun-03-16
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  keypusher: <offramp: <ughaibu: Had Tarrasch played, would he have scored 11.5?> That looks like a very likely score. Higher than Marshall and Réti but just below the big three. 11 or 11½ looks reasonable.>

Poppycock. In March 1924 Tarrasch was ranked 19th in the world. Bogoljubov, Tartakower, Reti, and Maroczy were all in the top 10. Marshall was #26, largely because of inactivity, but was shortly to bounce back into the top 10.

http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/Sing...

http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/Play...

http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/Sing...

Tarrasch would have ranked below everyone in the tournament except Marshall, Edward Lasker, Yates, and Janowski, and there is good reason to think his ranking overstated his actual strength. He was 62 and going through a steep rating decline. He had one really good tournament result in those years, +4 at Vienna (1922), finishing fourth. He was -2 at Hastings (1922), -1 at Karlsbad (1923), = at Maehrisch-Ostrau (1923), -5 at Baden-Baden (1925), and -4 at Breslau (1925).

He would have been very unlikely to reach 50% in this tournament.

Jun-03-16
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  offramp: <keypusher> I think you are right.

Of course he might have had a good tournament, just like Efim D Bogo had a fairly bad one.

But I agree that 11 points might be too optimistic. WWI was shattering to Tarrasch.

Oct-12-16
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  MissScarlett: <When he had his good days Yates played some delightful chess. Alekhine didn't want him to play in the New York 1924 Tounament as Yates had beaten him in the two previous clashes.>

Alekhine vs Yates, 1923

This is ambiguous - at first, I took it to mean that Alekhine had intervened in order to blackball Yates's participation, but then it occurred it could simply be that Alekhine had stated he was worried about having to meet Yates again. If the former, corroboration is requested.

Incidentally, Yates's wins over Alekhine weren't consecutive, but separated by Yates vs Alekhine, 1922.

Oct-13-16  JimNorCal: Wow! Thanks for posting the link, just awesome....

Jonathan Sarfati: you can hear Capablanca pronouncing the name AlYEKHeen in this rare film footage.

Dec-08-18
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  MissScarlett: Great picture, better for lacking the cheese - how recently was it added and what's the source?
Dec-08-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: 11 players, and Yates was a replacement/substitute. One player sat out each round(?)

Anyway of knowing who sat out each round? (Without having to go through 110 games and look at each round...)

Dec-08-18
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  Retireborn: <WannaBe> Click on original collection (by Benzol) and you can see who played in each round, and deduce from that who didn't.
Dec-08-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: <Retireborn> Thanks! =)
Dec-08-18  zanzibar: <WannaBe> I think this is what you wanna:

<
1 Lasker
2 Reti
3 Janowski
4 Marshall
5 Alekhine
6 Bogoljubov
7 Tartakower
8 Yates
9 Lasker
10 Maroczy
11 Capablanca
12 Marshall
13 Yates
14 Reti
15 Lasker
16 Maroczy
17 Capablanca
18 Janowski
19 Bogoljubov
20 Tartakower
21 Alekhine
22 Lasker
>

Dec-08-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: Thanks <Z>, looks like the tournament did not simply reverse colours but kept players the same; for the second half like most double-round robin tournaments of today.
Dec-08-18  zanzibar: Here's another photo of the players,

http://www.tabladeflandes.com/frank...

(Great view of 71st st. and Broadway:

https://www.nyhistory.org/sites/def...

ha!)

Dec-08-18  zanzibar: <WannaBe> I haven't really looked at the pairing strategy for this tournament - I just fed the CG PGN into my canned routines to get the bye list.

Maybe they drew lots again for the 2nd half? Not sure.

Dec-08-18  Sally Simpson: ***

Hi Zanzibar,

In the reprint of the 1924 book by Alekhine there is a Forward by Andrew Soltis who writes:

"They didn’t even know what color they would have each day or who their opponent would be until a drawing was held fifteen minutes before their clocks were started.

(This helps explain Réti’s collapse in the tournament’s second half. Due to luck of the drawing he had five Blacks in a row.)"

You can see this Forward at the link below - he also mentions, again, the Ed Lasker, Emanuel Lasker conversation about The good Lasker having no knowledge of the 'Marhsall Gambit'.

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...

***

Dec-09-18  zanzibar: Good info <Sally>, thx.
Dec-09-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: It occurs to me the best explanation for the players' expressions in the above picture is that one of their number has broken wind with disagreeable report. My guess as to the culprit is <Fred Yates>, someone known to have problems with faulty gas leaks.
Dec-09-18  zanzibar: Oh lordy.
Dec-09-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: Great info <Sally Simpson>, much thanks and appreciation.
Dec-10-18  Sally Simpson: ***

Hi MissScarlett,

I was going to use that picture in my rant about increments.

Look how worried they look. They not getting any increments, they do even know who they playing in the first round.

Compare it with this smug pampered bunch. ('...and will those not wearing sponsors jackets pleas go to the back.')

https://www.redhotpawn.com/imgu/blo...

But I could not quite make it work. I finally ditched it when I thought it might have been taken at the closing ceremony and I'm in danger of giving some nit-picker a thrill.

Lasker, Capablanca, Tartakower and Reti all appear to be distracted by something happening to their right...The dinner gong!

***

Jan-21-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  HarryP: Marshall did quite well in this tournament. The top three were the past, present, and future world champions. And who was next? Marshall.
Mar-04-19  sudoplatov: Top five at St. Petersburg 1914:

Emanuel Lasker 13.5/18
Jose Raul Capablanca 13/18
Alexander Alekhine 10/18
Siegbert Tarrasch 8.5/18
Frank James Marshall 8/18

And the top 3 from Cambridge Springs 1904:

Frank James Marshall 13/15
David Janowski 11/15
Emanuel Lasker 11/15

Nice longevity from Marshall, Lasker, and Janowski.

Dec-21-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  HarryP: This is the only tournament I've played through all the games of. Surely it is one of the greatest, most exciting, and most lovable tournaments ever. And, to top it off, the tournament book has notes by the one and only Alekhine.
Dec-21-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: I'm thinking it must have been miserable being on a boat with Alekhine for two weeks. He doesn't seem to me like the ideal cabin mate.
Dec-21-19  Howard: I browse through the tournament book quite regularly !
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