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| Result | Moves |
Year | Event/Locale | Opening |
| 26. I Zenyuk vs I Krush |
| ½-½ | 38 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | D27 Queen's Gambit Accepted, Classical |
| 27. C Airapetian vs T Batchimeg |
| 0-1 | 46 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | C96 Ruy Lopez, Closed |
| 28. A Zatonskih vs E Epstein |
 | 1-0 | 68 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | B22 Sicilian, Alapin |
| 29. K Rohonyan vs T Abrahamyan |
| 0-1 | 35 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | A29 English, Four Knights, Kingside Fianchetto |
| 30. C Jamison vs T Battsetseg |
| 0-1 | 60 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | E92 King's Indian |
| 31. I Krush vs C Airapetian |
| 1-0 | 46 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | E76 King's Indian, Four Pawns Attack |
| 32. T Abrahamyan vs C Jamison |
| 1-0 | 35 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | B45 Sicilian, Taimanov |
| 33. T Battsetseg vs I Zenyuk |
| ½-½ | 82 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | B44 Sicilian |
| 34. T Batchimeg vs A Zatonskih |
| 1-0 | 76 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | B18 Caro-Kann, Classical |
| 35. E Epstein vs K Rohonyan |
| 0-1 | 36 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | B51 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack |
| 36. C Airapetian vs T Battsetseg |
| 0-1 | 48 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | B27 Sicilian |
| 37. K Rohonyan vs T Batchimeg |
| 1-0 | 36 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | A45 Queen's Pawn Game |
| 38. T Abrahamyan vs E Epstein |
| 1-0 | 62 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | B43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3 |
| 39. C Jamison vs I Zenyuk |
| 0-1 | 39 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | E92 King's Indian |
| 40. A Zatonskih vs I Krush |
| ½-½ | 63 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | E62 King's Indian, Fianchetto |
| 41. T Batchimeg vs T Abrahamyan |
| 1-0 | 44 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | E90 King's Indian |
| 42. I Krush vs K Rohonyan |
| ½-½ | 108 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | A58 Benko Gambit |
| 43. E Epstein vs C Jamison |
| ½-½ | 31 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | B40 Sicilian |
| 44. I Zenyuk vs C Airapetian |
| 0-1 | 73 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | E94 King's Indian, Orthodox |
| 45. T Battsetseg vs A Zatonskih |
| 0-1 | 36 | 2008 | US Women's Championship | C05 French, Tarrasch |
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| May-21-08 | | dx9293: Hmm...Krush has White again...I'm assuming this is an Armageddon game? |
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| May-21-08 | | dx9293: Zatonskih has won this latest game...again with Black! |
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| May-22-08 | | PhilFeeley: What a terrible way to have to lose a championship - to an armageddon game. I think Krush should have won on tie-break because she had no losses. |
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| May-22-08 | | dx9293: <PhilFeeley> I don't agree on the "no losses" thing. Zatonskih deservedly won the U.S. Womens' Championship. |
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| May-22-08 | | Robin01: They probably should have done the tie-break games the next day. Both players were probably very worn out after all the chess and probably not playing their best chess. |
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| May-22-08 | | dx9293: <Robin01> Maybe, but to me it's a toss-up anyway as to which of these two ladies is the stronger player. |
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| May-22-08 | | e4ia: Gee... poor Irina; let me get out my violin Phil!
Although I like Irina's chess, she didn't DESERVE to be the 2008 Women's champion period! The same tie break rules apply to all...if the players don't like the tiebreak format, then they should let USCF know... the armageddon option rules in place for this tournament were very "liberal" for the players to tweak and apply to the final game...so don't blame the "messenger", the format, in place! The real truth is Irina didn't play well enough to be the women's champion... ( right on, "dx9"!) 1) In rd 6. he only drew Zenyuk,7th place in the final standings, whom she outrated by 250 FIDE/300+ USCF as well. 2) Rd. 9,with WHITE, she was totally outplayed in the opening, a Benko, by the 300 point lesser rated Rohonyan, who had Irina beaten...but missed several oppurtunities such as 26 black ... Re3! with perhaps Nf3+ to follow 3) Irina proceeded to waste her energy and imo, to arrogantly play out a dead drawn ending for 50 extra movees esp her R vs a N + rook.... She deserves only her own self-name
"chess bitch" for that obnoxious unwarranted play-out to move #108! 4)In rd 13 play-off rapids; Irina had just won game one with black, needing only a draw with WHITE to win it all vs Zatonskih... she LOST with white! So let's get real here; Irina got EXACTLY what she deserved.... she wasn't strong enough this tournament to beat the players she needed to.....and was FORTUNATE to be tied at 7.5 after regualtion! Lastly, the armageddon format is used in major FIDE tnmts as well! |
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| May-22-08 | | PhilFeeley: I'm not sure it was Irina who played out the 108 move draw in the last round. Rohonyan had black in that game, so I don't know who had the right/obligation to offer the draw. |
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| May-22-08 | | e4ia: Hi Phil;
I may have "errored" in that 108 mover; but after 43..Ne5, black clearly demonstrated this was a drawn position....Krush pushed on and on...
there were some posts at ICC during the game that perhaps there was some bad blood between these two, (a draw offer refused? maybe after move 50 or so)
so black decided to play on with R + N ...not sure.
At that point my attention was also torn between that and the Laker game... as after 43...Ne5, I felt it was dead drawn...no passers possible |
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| May-22-08 | | Wone Jone: Congratulations, Anna! Next stop : Playboy! |
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| May-22-08 | | dx9293: <Wone Jone> Oh God. |
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| May-23-08 | | Jim Bartle: "...and Ms. Jamison's page don't even have one kibitz!! =(" So, unfortunately, she has the same number of kibitzes as wins. |
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| May-23-08 | | Fish55: e4ia - I disagree with your criticisms of Irina. A win against Rohonyan (whose rating is 170 points below Krush's, not 300) would have given her clear first, so she had a good reason to play on after move 43. Some might have even critized her if she had agreed to a draw at that point! Your points about Krush drawing a lower-rated player and losing with white in the rapids apply at least equally to Zatonskih, who lost to a lower-rated player and also lost with white in the rapids. |
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| May-23-08 | | brankat: The best solution, and the most fair one, would be NOT to have tie-breakers at all, except in those events where it's really a must. WC cycle tournaments/matches. Even when/if there are tie-breakers, they certainly should not be blitz games. Personally, I find it not just unfair, but also insulting. Just my 2 cents. |
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| May-23-08 | | lisyaron: The incredible time scramble in the sudden-death game between IMs Krush and Zatonskih can be watched here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTIl...
As can be heard from Anna's account afterwards, she somehow managed to make back the time deficit to defeat Irina (with only ONE second remaining on the clock!). Quite disappointing for Anna, who obviously can't believe what happened! |
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| May-23-08 | | cannibal: <lisyaron>
Hehehe, Irina doesn't take it very well. Just says "Oh come on!", and storms out of the playing hall. I guess her mistake was to try to make real moves in the last seconds while Anna simply moved Rc8-b8 back and forth like five times in a single second. |
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| May-23-08 | | PhilFeeley: <brankat> I agree completely. Irina was obviously won in the last game. To lose on time (by 1 second) is insulting. I know people lose regular games that way, but come on! To make a (classical) championship game depend on blitz play? No. It's completely ridiculous. |
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| May-23-08 | | PhilFeeley: The moves in the video don't seem to match any of the moves in the games provided by Chessbase. Can anyone confirm this? And where are the moves to the game? Which one is it? It wasn't the armageddon one because it's final position is completely different. |
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| May-23-08 | | percyblakeney: The Armageddon game pgn looks like this at TWIC:
[Event "Frank K Berry ch-USA w Playoff"]
[Site "Tulsa USA"]
[Date "2008.05.21"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Krush,I"]
[Black "Zatonskih,A"]
[WhiteElo "2479"]
[BlackElo "2458"]
[ECO "D15"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 a6 5. a4 e6 6. Bg5 Nbd7
7. cxd5 exd5 8. e3 Qa5 9. Bd3 Ne4 10. O-O Nef6 11. e4 dxe4
12. Nxe4 Be7 13. Re1 O-O 14. Ng3 Bb4 15. Re2 Re8 16. Nf5
Nf8 17. Nh6+ gxh6 18. Bxf6 Bf5 19. Ne5 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Ng6
21. h4 Re6 22. Qf3 Qd5 23. Qf5 Be7 24. Bxe7 Rxe7 25. h5
Nxe5 26. dxe5 Qe6 27. Qf4 Kh8 28. Rd1 Rg8 29. g3 Qg4
30. Qf6+ Qg7 31. Qf3 Rxe5 32. Rd7 Rg5 33. Re1 0-1
I suppose that may be only the beginning of the game, and maybe some things are wrong, otherwise 31. Qxe7 looks like a better move than the played Qf3, even if I suppose all the moves were blitzed out by then: 
click for larger view |
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| May-23-08 | | dx9293: <PhilFeeley> Both players start with the same amount of time in playoffs, and in the case of Armageddon, White has extra time (in this case 6 minutes to 4-and-a-half!). Time cannot be an excuse in this case. I do see how conceding a draw as White in Armageddon could be frustrating, however. Irina is a really nice person (and never afraid to display her emotions!), but Anna (who also seemed nice when I met her four or five years ago) won deservedly. |
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| May-23-08 | | savagerules: <e4ia> 3) Irina proceeded to waste her energy and imo, to arrogantly play out a dead drawn ending for 50 extra movees esp her R vs a N + rook.... She deserves only her own self-name
"chess bitch" for that obnoxious unwarranted play-out to move #108!
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Hey, Einstein it was Krush's opponent, Rohonyan, that kept playing to move 108, it wouldn't make sense for Krush to keep playing a piece down now would it? So maybe Rohonyan is the chess bitch to whom you refer?
Are you going to blame the high oil prices on Krush also? |
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| May-24-08 | | ongyj: Sorry to seek clarifications on a few matters.
1. Isn't Armageddon always 6mins to 5, with draw odds in favour Black? [If Black draws, black wins] 6 VS 4.5 seems kind of too much of an advantage for White, IMHO. 2. In the above scenario, can White claim a victory if Black forfeits on time? [If it's legal for White to play on time in Armageddon, can't Irina Krush play waiting moves and make Black forfeit?] 3. As the end of the game, according to chessbase.com, Anna Zatonskih won on White's time forfeit with 1 second left on her clock. From my understanding of time forfeit, a player needs to stop his/her own clock and make the claim to the arbiter. I've personally witnessed a "double time forfeit" in which a player was about to claim his opponent's time forfeit, but his own time expired when he was reaching out to stop the clock. The arbiter was watching the game towards the end [it was the very last game of a round] and declared it a draw based on double time forfeit. I'm just wondering if that was a right call, and similarly, in such tight situations here, could Irina Krush have pressed her own clock (despite forfeiting already) and make/pray that Anna Zatonskih's clock run out as well to claim a double forfeit? Sorry for asking many questions, but/and thanks in advance for clarifications. |
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| May-24-08 | | PinkPanther: I'm sorry, but I LOL'd when I saw Krush have her Nimzovich "why must I lose to this idiot" moment and smack her king into that girl's crotch who was watching the game. |
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| May-24-08 | | lisyaron: <ongyj: Sorry to seek clarifications on a few matters.
1. Isn't Armageddon always 6mins to 5, with draw odds in favour Black? [If Black draws, black wins] 6 VS 4.5 seems kind of too much of an advantage for White, IMHO. 2. In the above scenario, can White claim a victory if Black forfeits on time? [If it's legal for White to play on time in Armageddon, can't Irina Krush play waiting moves and make Black forfeit?] 3. As the end of the game, according to chessbase.com, Anna Zatonskih won on White's time forfeit with 1 second left on her clock. From my understanding of time forfeit, a player needs to stop his/her own clock and make the claim to the arbiter. I've personally witnessed a "double time forfeit" in which a player was about to claim his opponent's time forfeit, but his own time expired when he was reaching out to stop the clock. The arbiter was watching the game towards the end [it was the very last game of a round] and declared it a draw based on double time forfeit. I'm just wondering if that was a right call, and similarly, in such tight situations here, could Irina Krush have pressed her own clock (despite forfeiting already) and make/pray that Anna Zatonskih's clock run out as well to claim a double forfeit? Sorry for asking many questions, but/and thanks in advance for clarifications.> Hi Ongyj,
1. From what I understand, one player chose the colour, the other chose the time. So it is not always 6 min vs 5 min and draw odds. 2. A loss on time is an automatic win for the opponent, regardless of whether draw odds are present or not. Hence, with 6 seconds for Irina vs Anna's 2 seconds, she should've simply repeated waiting moves while avoiding 3 move repetition. Perhaps Krush didn't want to win that way and/or was confident with her time and position to think she'd win regardless. 3. Perhaps what you are saying may only apply to analogue clocks, but not on digital ones. This is because there is no accurate way of discerning who really lost on time for analogue clocks once both players' flags have fallen. On the other hand, the digital clocks I have encountered all show which player has run out of time first, as there is a 'bar' or '-' (minus sign) on the clock for that player's time. In this case, the buzzer was also set on for the timer - Anna claiming victory immediately after it went off. Irina's outburst afterwards was perhaps not the best show of sportsmanship, but obviously an understandable, instantaneous demonstration of her emotion at that point. Who can blame someone for losing a national title which was already within grasp? [Shrug shoulders] |
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| May-24-08 | | ongyj: <lisyaron> Thanks a lot for your detailed response. Now I know I'll always pick the side with more time, if I ever get to choose in an armageddon! |
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