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| Jan-26-14 | | Pedro Fernandez: The chess player that I would wish to play is vs Tigran Petrosian, not machines. This GM can teach to us a lot! Of course we play with the black pieces. |
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| Jan-26-14 | | chesstoplay: < Pedro Fernandez > < The chess player that I would wish to play is vs Tigran Petrosian >. He is very much like the other OTB GMs we have played, so far. He is a very nice guy. I met him a couple of years ago at Yury's house. I have found that Yury's group of GM friends are all good for chess. They are generally pretty relaxed, social and friendly like GM SKW. These are the kind of GMs that are ambassadors of chess. You might make this suggestion to the chessgames.com administrators. Their international connectivity to chess has grown in recent years. More things are possible now for this site than ever! :) |
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| Jan-26-14 | | Pedro Fernandez: Thank you so much <chesstoplay>. |
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Jan-26-14
 | | Domdaniel: <chesstoplay> Thank you, and also your friends and contacts, for your belief in this site. |
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| Jan-26-14 | | kwid: an-26-14
<Domdaniel:> <chesstoplay> <Thank you, and also your friends and contacts>What about asking Bill Gates to take us on. He could enlist a super computer as his assistant. But fun aside; Petrosian would be a hard nut to crack. |
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| Jan-26-14 | | blue wave: <cormier> <me too blue wave> Maybe he doesn't want to talk much about the game after his defeat? Or maybe he is still preparing what to say? Hopefully its the second possibility. |
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| Jan-27-14 | | devere: <AylerKupp: Pedro Fernandez: Domdaniel> You guys might possibly be leading boring lives if you occupy yourselves feeding an obvious troll. Did you see how Aronian got swindled by Van Wely? Aronian vs Van Wely, 2014
He still won the tournament by 1 1/2 points, so I guess he was able to laugh about it. |
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| Jan-27-14 | | chesstoplay: Hi guys,
TY for your TY!
I truly care about the continued success of chessgames.com. Someone I'd like to play is OTB GM Gregory Kaidanov.
He is one of the finest teaching GMs in the USA.
Check out his background and let me know if he is of interest to you as a group. I know him pretty well. He has been to our house for dinner. He taught an internet lesson from our house. He and his family went to Italy the year after we did and I gave him the map that < hms123 > gave us of Florence. He loved it! I do not know that he would be interested, but I do not believe he would be put off if I asked him. :) |
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| Jan-27-14 | | morfishine: <blue wave> <cormier> <me too blue wave> <Maybe he doesn't want to talk much about the game after his defeat? Or maybe he is still preparing what to say? Hopefully its the second possibility> I'm curious too. I do not think he will pull an "Akobian" like in the last WT game when GMVA disappeared altogether. However, while he stated "I can discuss my thoughts, if someone would like to direct me to the correct page!" note he did not state "I will discuss..." (but stated "I can...")... This could be his loophole to forget the game entirely ***** |
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Jan-27-14
 | | OhioChessFan: FWIW, I never expect to hear from our opponents after the game. |
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| Jan-27-14 | | blue wave: <OhioChessFan> <FWIW, I never expect to hear from our opponents after the game.> Hmmm. Maybe I need to adjust my expectations to never expecting anything too. That way, I won't be even the slightest bit saddened. |
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Jan-27-14
| | OhioChessFan: I just don't think it's realistic. I recall a list being circulated of questions to ask Arno Nickel after the first game, and everyone expecting them to be answered. I was one of a few who knew that wasn't happening. He did give some analysis feedback after the second game. Even if they have the best of intentions, I don't think it's realistic to expect our opponents to spend the time to analyze and kibitz on our games. |
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Jan-27-14
 | | AylerKupp: <Pedro Fernandez> Just to show my advanced age, here is a story about me and the "other" Tigran Petrosian. It happened in 1966 at the 2nd Piatagorsky Cup Tournament just before I started college: malthrope chessforum. And I am happy to be of an advanced old age. It has given me the time to be more active on a site like this and make nice friends like you. |
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Jan-27-14
| | AylerKupp: <<blue wave> I'm still waiting for comments from Ginger on the game.> It is not easy to make a living playing chess, and the GMs that attempt it are always very busy. I appreciate GMSW's taking the time from his busy schedule to play a game with us as a gift, and everything else beyond that as a bonus. But maybe he is still recovering from the "convincing arse whipping". :-) |
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Jan-27-14
| | AylerKupp: <morfishine> Aaah, but in another post, S Williams vs The World, 2013, he did say "will". It doesn't really matter to me; see my post to <blue wave> above. |
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| Jan-27-14 | | hms123: <AylerKupp> Your link doesn't work. Here is the post from <Nov. 29, 2011>: < AylerKupp: <malthrope> We have something in common. The last time that I saw Fischer was also at the 1966 2nd Piatagorsky Cup Banquet Ceremony, so we must have been in the same room at the same time. I was one of the boys that duplicated the player's moves in the projection machines used to show their moves to the audience, so I got to attend every game as well as the Banquet Ceremony. I didn't realize at the time what a privilege that was.
Sorry to hear about your troubles. Here's a story from the 2nd Piatagorsky Cup that I'm sure will cheer you up some:I was alone in the elevator at the Miramar Hotel when Spassky and Petrosian walked in. The elevator stopped at the next floor, the doors opened, but nobody got in. The same thing happened at the next floor and the floor after that. I heard Spassky with a knowing look on his face say to Petrosian something along the lines of "Americanski elevator".> Here is your similar post on <morfishine's> forum from <Aug. 20, 2012>: morfishine chessforum |
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| Jan-27-14 | | stunningmove: <bluewave> I agree with <OCF>, it is extemely doubtful we will see analysis of this game. Time is an issue and pride is a second. Now if he had beaten us, analysis might be done. We have much more in depth analysis than a GM could ever do. He has already stated that 15...Nb4 took him by surprise, that he didn't realize it was such a strong move. I think that is all the analysis we need. If you remember the computers didn't find this move until 26 ply I believe. Perhaps he ran his computer to 24 or 25 ply for blunder checking and missed this move thinking it was too much of a waste of tempi. Only after it was played did he realize his goose was cooked. |
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| Jan-27-14 | | YouRang: <OhioChessFan: I just don't think it's realistic. I recall a list being circulated of questions to ask Arno Nickel after the first game, and everyone expecting them to be answered. I was one of a few who knew that wasn't happening. He did give some analysis feedback after the second game. Even if they have the best of intentions, I don't think it's realistic to expect our opponents to spend the time to analyze and kibitz on our games.> My recollection is that a long list of questions was sent to <Timmerman> after our game with him, not Nickel. (Actually, Nickel was unusually open to discussing his game afterwards). Understandably, Timmerman never replied. But I agree with you on the issue. I also thought at the time that asking him to respond to a bunch of our questions was a bit much. Our opponents sign up to play a game against us, not to engage is post-mortem analysis -- especially after a loss. It's best to be thankful for what they offer, and move on. |
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| Jan-27-14 | | JimNorCal: <chesstoplay>: Everything I've ever heard about GM Gregory Kaidanov was positive. He would be a terrific opponent! |
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| Jan-27-14 | | JimNorCal: <OCF>:"FWIW, I never expect to hear from our opponents after the game." Sounds like a realistic expectation :)
Something I've noticed for both amateur tournaments and also a GM tournament they had here in NorCal recently, is that there isn't nearly as much post-mortem analysis as there used to be. I assume it is because people learn from the games by using engine analysis instead of from their opponent's comments. Too bad. Seeing the game from your opponent's point of view is not only educational but can build a human bond that leads to friendship and greater enjoyment of future match-ups. |
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Jan-27-14
 | | GoldenKnight: Yuri Schulman was another one who was quite responsive to our questions. |
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| Jan-27-14 | | lost in space: pfffffff, were are the thoughts of Ginger GM regarding this game? |
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| Jan-27-14 | | kwid: <AylerKupp: <morfishine> Aaah, but in another post, S Williams vs The World, 2013, he did say "will"> I guess he was hoping to get a video of how to play the b3 opening. But when he looked again at the arrived position just playing after 8 moves: 
click for larger viewwhere he may have found it difficult to explain why white should aim for it or point out how white should continue from here,he may have changed his mind. Unless the purpose for playing this line serves to show how not to play with white. Or demonstrating how black can achieve in just a few moves complete center control if white violates well known opening principles we could still hear from him. |
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Jan-27-14
| | AylerKupp: <hms123> Thanks, I must have clicked on the wrong link. Obviously you know my posts better than I do! |
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Jan-27-14
| | AylerKupp: <<stunningmove> If you remember the computers didn't find this move until 26 ply I believe.> I don't think so. As far back as the position after 12.Bxe4 Critter 1.6a came up with 15...Nb4 evaluating the sequence 12...Bd5 13.Ng3 Bxe4 14.Nxe4 Qd7 15.Qf3 Nb4 16.0-0-0 Nxa2+ 17.Kb1 Nb4 as Black's best at d=25, evaluating the sequence at [-0.41]. And Komodo 6 came up with the same sequence, also evaluating it as Black's best after 12.Bxe4 at d=11, evaluating it at [-0.65], and later at d=27 downgrading it to [-0.36]. And from the position after 15.Qf3 it was clear to all the engines I used what our best response would be, all coming up with 15...Nb4 as Black's best move with the following evals at the following plies (Note: I have my GUI set so that d=8 is the lowest ply that it reports, so some engines might have evaluated 15...Nb4 as best even earlier): Bouquet 1.8, [-0.54], d=8
Critter 1.6a, [-0.47], d=9
Gull 2.3, [-0.35], d=10
IvanHoe 946f, [-0.36], d=10
Komodo 6, [-0.76], d=8
Spike 1.5, [-0.65], d=8
What I don't remember is how much of my analysis I posted and how much I entered into the AT. Maybe <hms123>, since he apparently knows my posts better than I do (see above) can tell us. :-) So 15...Nb4 should not have caught him by surprise. Then again, maybe his "Fritz 8" didn't find it at a sufficiently low ply. ;-) Or maybe both he and the engine(s) he was using saw the move but he underestimated it, even though it won a pawn. Or maybe he saw all that but thought that the initiative he would get with the semi-open g-file and our out of play knight even after the exchange of queens was sufficient compensation. This, IMO, is the most likely scenario. And he might have been right except that he misjudged that the time lost after 22.Bc3 allowed our wayward knight on b4 to get back into the game in the nick of time. |
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