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Arno Nickel vs The World
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[flip board] GAME OVER: 1/2-1/2 [flip board]

MOVES:
1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 d6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nf6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 a6 8.O-O-O Bd7 9.f3 Be7 10.Be3 h5 11.Kb1 Qc7 12.Nxc6 Bxc6 13.Bd3 b5 14.Ne2 Rc8 15.Nd4 Nd7 16.h3 Bb7 17.Bg5 Bxg5 18.Qxg5 Kf8 19.c3 h4 20.Rhe1 Rh6 21.Bc2 Qb6 22.Re2 Nf6 23.Bb3 Qc5 24.Qe3 Re8 25.Red2 Rh5 26.Bc2 g6 27.Qe1 Qc7 28.Ne2 d5 29.exd5 Nxd5 30.Be4 Kg7 31.Qf2 Qe7 32.Nd4 Nf6 33.Bxb7 Qxb7 34.Nc2 Qc7 35.Ne3 Qg3 36.Qg1 Rg5 37.a3 a5 38.Qf1 Re5 39.Rd3 Qf4 40.Re1 Nd5 41.Nxd5 exd5 42.Rxe5 1/2-1/2
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Feb-25-09  eightsquare: < now that i really anylased it appears that we had a positional advantage and could carry on.we should not have accepted the draw. anyway. and ill tell you what was the advantage after 42: .... blacks move rxe5. we had a rook on our 4th rank,gman rook was on his 3rd rank. we had a queen on our 5th rank whereas gman queen was glued to the first rank. anyway,if rybka says,oh well its a draw. cheers,
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Feb-25-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: Well done, everyone. This was a more impressive result than the first game in some ways. In the first game Arno took risks with black, underestimating the opposition - but this time he had white, and was better informed. And sustained defence is very difficult for both engines and teams alike.

An excellent result.

Feb-25-09  tivrfoa: what computer the world used?
Feb-25-09  kevin86: A draw is fair-after all,Mr. Nickel was outnumbered! lol
Feb-25-09  Waitaka: <tivrfoa: what computer the world used?> Several.
Feb-25-09  capafan: Congratulations to everyone who participated. Thank you Arno for a well-played game...
Feb-25-09  Lutwidge: Just dropped in to say, Bravo, everyone!

It seems to me the most critical moment in the game (other than GMAN's h3) was 23. ..Qc5, which narrowly won over the 23. ...Rh5 and 24. ...d5 plan, which I think might have turned out significantly less well.

In any event, thank you, chessgames.com, for arranging such an interesting match, and for all the team members in this game: congratulations! This draw was every bit as impressive an achievement as the World's victories before it.

Feb-25-09  benjinathan: This game is like the white tide rolling in and then the black tide rolling out.
Feb-25-09  pacorrum: As I see it the main success of Black was to hold back from attacking on the Qside... which would have favoured GMAN because of his better rook coordination. This is the best lesson I've got from this game.
Feb-25-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: I'm still waiting for confirmation that it is customary in CC games to offer a draw based on what will happen 3 plies later.
Feb-25-09  ganstaman: <OhioChessFan: I'm still waiting for confirmation that it is customary in CC games to offer a draw based on what will happen 3 plies later.>

?? If it's drawn, it's drawn. Going 3 ply down the drawn path doesn't change that. What would be the point of waiting unless you weren't actually sure it was drawn?

Feb-25-09  WhiteRook48: I KNEW this was going to be game of the day!
Feb-25-09  pagliacci19: thanks everyone, learned a lots.
Feb-25-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: I meant the draw offer <ganstaman>
Feb-26-09  lost in space: <<WhiteRook48>: I KNEW this was going to be game of the day!>

...and that the game was called WORLD PEACE.

:-)

Feb-26-09  kkshethin: Thank you all the participents (even if sometimes i do not agree with them). Thanks to the analysts from them i learned much. However i have to say few words regarding Draw.
There was a time in the game when everybody was worried about possible outcome. Nobody can deny that we have to sweat in order to save the game. Now after tide turned it is surprising that some of the people totally forget those worrying moments and started voicing to continue for win eventhough nobody gave any plausible line of winning
Feb-26-09  WhiteRook48: a win and a draw against Nickel is amazing.
Feb-26-09  ganstaman: <OhioChessFan: I meant the draw offer <ganstaman>>

Now I'm even more confused. Are you saying that what you were saying is: "I'm still waiting for confirmation that it is customary in CC games to offer a draw based on [a draw offer that] will happen 3 plies later."

I still don't see how my response isn't appropriate.

Feb-26-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: Message on my forum on the matter <gansta>
Feb-26-09  patzer2: GM Arno Nickel, thanks for such an instructive, interesting and well played game. Perhaps you could have found winning chances in the complex Rook sac line given above by kb2ct. I look forward to your analysis.
Feb-26-09  Nite4k: Congratulations to both <GM Arno Nickel> and <The World Team> for a hard fought and well played game!

GMAN considered the position "very complicated" after our <10...h5!?> but said he needed more time to be able to find the best lines and consequently played cautiously not to lose after he gained the advantage that made him confident he was going to win.

So understandably he must feel some disappointment that he did not press his advantage and was forced to offer the draw.

On the other hand, after 10...h5, the World team had to find the most accurate defensive moves to secure the draw.

I am happy with securing a win and a draw in our 2 encounters against such a formidable CC grandmaster as Arno.

Again, congratulations to both sides!

Now onward! Let's see if we can secure any opening advantage out of the Slav against Mikhail Umansky...

Feb-27-09  chesscard: First of all, congratulations on the draw!

Here is my analysis of your game (I followed parts of it, enjoying and also learning on the way)

1) it is a very good result considering the position in the early middle game .

2)Black played the opening and early middlegame very weakly, and should have lost this game. (Black crossed the safety of drawing line due to 3-4 mistakes).

3)White did not make any important mistakes, but his 16 h3?! was a slightly weak move, (black should have played 16...h4, immediately equalizing) But he also did not take the responsability of complicating the game when he had a large advantage.

4) Mistakes: 15...Nd7, and especially 16...Bb7? were weak moves. There were a couple of second best moves in the following moves until move 24 also.. At the end, all white needed was a single second best move from black and it would be all over. This did not happen due to excellent defense in the later stages of the game.

5)White did not act on time, and waited for black to make another mistake to win (this was white's biggest mistake, he was not decisive enough even though he had a winning advantage)

6)Starting from 24...Re8, I believe that black's play was at a very high level. it was a very difficult position to save, and the team analyzed this difficult position very well.

7) Both sides analyzed (mainly) with Rybka, world team was able to find some important moves that were not Rybka's first choice to draw the game. GMAN mostly copied Rybka, and did not add much from himself.

8) GMAN was happy with a draw, and did not take action when he had a significant advantage, allowing you to equalize.

9) Both sides thought Rybka was "god", and did not give enough attention to other engines (which depending on the type of position are stronger than Rybka). World team did not know in what position Rybka was not the best engine. GMAN did not have the time to analyze with other engines (because of his other important games).

10) Overall, this is a very good result (considering the position after 18...Qxg5).

11)Ending was not a dead draw, it should have been played a little longer.

12)In my opinion, this was the weakest game by the World team in 3 games I witnessed. At least, you now know that it may be very difficut to draw with black.

13) Umansky game: You will be facing one of the most creative cc player alive. His computer skills, and strength will not match yours, but his positional understanding and intuition will be at a much higher level. In my opinion advantage is with the world team due to stronger computer skills.

Good luck!

Feb-27-09
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  chancho: <chesscard> Thanks for your input in this game it was most helpful to the team.
Feb-27-09  WhiteRook48: I wish we had a better pun, like "A good five cent Nickel"
Feb-28-09  Dionyseus: This game was so boring I didn't even know it had finished!! I hope this game will be a big lesson to those of you who think solid is better than risky in the opening.
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