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Mar-31-09
 | | Phony Benoni: <suentues po 147> I'm working from the book <World Cup Chess> by Kavalek--which, of course, uses player order instead of round order. Brussels 1988 (#I) seems to be progressing smoothly, though a surprising number of games are missing from the database. I've got a preliminary reconstruction for Belfort (II) and Reyjkavik (III). Barcelona (IV) is proving to be difficult, but I'll try to crack it a little more systematically. Haven't tried Rotterdam (V) yet, and I guess I no longer need to worry about Skelleftea (VI). If you haven't already, I think I've also figured out the scoring system for the World Cup. It hasn't been easy, since it was devised by John Nunn. I'll put an explanation on the Brussels page sometime. I'm also going over the 10th USSR (1937), and there are going to be a <lot> of games to submit. Maybe half the tournament. Elsewhere, Vienna 1908 is finished, and Prague 1908 should follow soon. Yes, I've always had a touch of ADD. |
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Mar-31-09 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni: I'm also going over the 10th USSR (1937), and there are going to be a <lot> of games to submit. Maybe half the tournament. Elsewhere, Vienna 1908 is finished, and Prague 1908 should follow soon. Yes, I've always had a touch of ADD.> Congratulations! You have officially joined <Benzol> and myself in the career of tournament collection building! You now have a lifetime's worth of work ahead of you that you share with a handful of OCD nuts like yourself. Welcome to the club! :)& <It hasn't been easy, since it was devised by John Nunn.> LOL! |
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Mar-31-09 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni> Here it is, for you made it possible: Game Collection: USSR Championship 1934/35 |
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Mar-31-09
 | | Phony Benoni: I won't consider myself a real collection builder until I can break my habit of actually looking at the games. Talk about a time waster! I'm going to step up and get 1937 ready for you quickly, since I feel that collections on a single theme should be kept together under one person's name. Of course, that's probably the librarian in me speaking. |
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Mar-31-09 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni: ...since I feel that collections on a single theme should be kept together under one person's name.> I suddenly feel very bad about swiping Reykjavik 1988 away from you. That could have been your first theme. As it is, I've had to learn to share. <Benzol> collected the Absolute Soviet Championship from 1941 before I even started collecting USSR championships, and then he added the 50th in 1983 a while later. I share Hastings tourneys with a couple of kibitzers, including <sneaky pete>. <EmperorAtahualpa> was the first to collect both Tilburg and Wijk aan Zee tourneys before I even got into the game. And the list goes on. You learn to be thankful for controlling the smallest of themes. For instance, I raced to finish the PCA Super Class last week, nabbing Riga 1995, Novgorod 1995, and Horgen 1995. It's rare to get them all like that under one kibitzer's collection page. |
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Mar-31-09
 | | Phony Benoni: <suetonius po 147> No big deal. I realize you were just reciprocating the help I've given you rather than trying to steal my thunder. There's not a whole lot of glory in this anyway, just satisfaction. Besides, it's obvious that somebody searching for a particular tournament will do a search on the collections page anyway, so it doesn't really matter who does them. I will put links to the various collections within those I do work on. That's another thing you learn in Library Land: Make cross-references! I noticed a request over at the chessgames.com forum today for pages dedicated to historical touraments. This was the sort of thing I had in mind when suggesting kibitzing for collections, where we could expchange information about the particular events. It will be interesting to see if today's suggestion bears fruit. |
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Apr-01-09
 | | Phony Benoni: Phony Benoni chessforum Well, at least I got one thing right. The Tigers released Sheffield yesterday. |
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Apr-01-09 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni: ...though a surprising number of games are missing from the database.> You'd be surprised by what's often missing. The World Cup in particular will be bad because it has the following participants: Alexander Beliavsky, Jaan Ehlvest, Johann Hjartarson, Robert Huebner, Predrag Nikolic, Jesus Nogueiras, John Nunn, Zoltan Ribli, Gyula Sax, Yasser Seirawan, and Andrei Sokolov. Not to mention Winants, Petursson, Van der Wiel, and Illescas-Cordoba. Pretty much any games between these players in any combination will be missing from the database. I had to upload 21 games from Belfort today for that very reason. |
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Apr-01-09 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni> As promised, here it is for you to look over: Game Collection: Skelleftea World Cup 1989 Naturally, if there is anything I left out or got wrong, please point it out and I will fix it. Only two more to go! |
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Apr-02-09 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni> From chessgames.com chessforum : <chessgames.com: <capanegra> <have you considered extending this to the most important historic tournaments like (just to mention a few) London 1851, Hastings 1895, New York 1924, AVRO 1938, etc.? Imho it would be a great achievement to have those names also painted with blue.> We agree entirely and the first step in that direction was our History of the World Chess Championship feature. In the future we hope to have all of the big tournaments (and small ones too), and then the next step will be to make it possible to search by tournament.> |
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Apr-02-09
 | | Phony Benoni: <Suenteus po 147> Yikes, you're fast! I was figuring on spending a few pleasant weeks putting the World Cup collections together, and you're whizzing one off every day or so! As I mentioned before, a lot of pleasure I get in collection building comes from looking at the games. This dates back to my old editor days where I probably spent ten hours looking at games for every hour spent actually working on the magazine. But I'm very glad to see that The People Upstairs are thinking about expanding the historical tournment area. And if a search feature for tuornament name is going to be included, we need to figure out some standaradization of names or a good cross-reference structure. |
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Apr-02-09 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni> Years of practice at this has helped me develop a system by which, once I have collected all the necessary and pertinent information, I can create a tournament collection in about 2-3 hours (depending on the total number of games). Of course this is often more problematic when a number of games from the tournament are missing. Collecting and submitting gamescores to the database individually adds about 6-8 hours to any tournament collection process. To give you an idea: it took me 8.5 hours to assemble the Belfort World Cup 1988 collection, including finding, formatting, and submitting the 21 missing games via the PGN Upload Utility. While it only took me ninety minutes to assemble Skelleftea, since all the games were already in the database. The difference is substantial. Assuming the tournaments are completely represented in the database, I can sometimes complete 3-4 collections in one day (assuming moderate size). Some collections are lengthy jobs even when all the games are present. Soviet championships, for example, are often between 190-231 games (occasionally more!) total. That kind of size often turns into a 3 hour job (when all the games are even present!), and my stamina won't let me do much more other than a 30-45 game tournament after that in the same day. I recognize the joy of looking through games as you collect them for the tournament page, but it really is the sucker of all time. My philosophy is that once each collection is done, the games are there for me to go back and enjoy at my leisure rather than while the work remains to be done. Some of my early tournament collections felt like they have taken forever to complete (like Dortmund or Linares) because of the time spent looking over games. Whereas now, if it's 120 games or less, regardless of when it was played, I can have a tournament done in 2 hours or less. It's a sacrifice for efficiency, but one I am glad to make for now. One of the reasons I've become so manic lately is because of <chessgames.com>'s promise toward the future of turning these collections into actual pages with kibitzing and links to ongoing series. I figure another 150-200 collections and it will be finally worth their while to do it, and they will have a lot of complete series to start with, rather than launching it and waiting for gaps to be filled. I'm about to hit the 300 mark of tournament collections, and that's after really only two serious years of collection building with long hiatuses for my studies. I'm hoping to break 600 collections by the time I graduate with my doctorate :) I agree that a standardized way of naming/designating tournaments must be established, and it's one <nescio> first brought to my attention. There's time, location, organizer, and qualification all to think about when designating a tournament (and what am I missing?), but that could quickly get unwieldy if not standardized properly. I'm open to any and all suggestions. |
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Apr-02-09
 | | Phony Benoni: <suenteus po 147> That's a good point about chessgames.com planning to set up pages for tournaments once enough have been created. I can't get too manic at my age, but I can certainly work a little faster! By the way, I have updated the Brussels 1988 page with information on how the Grand Prix points were computed. I don't know how interesting this is for the other tournaments, but I can get the numbers easily if you'd like them. I've thought of standardizing tournament names for a long time. After all, this is the sort of work I perform daily in my libary's catalog! The big problem, as I see it, is that no matter how logical a system is devised, users will persist in trying to find the tournament some other way. In library catalogs, we can set up a cross-reference structure that will refer users directly to the correct page (something like the "DO YOU MEAN" on Google), but I don't know if this site can handle that. |
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Apr-05-09 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni> Two more World Cup tournaments completed for your inspection: Game Collection: Belfort World Cup 1988 & Game Collection: Barcelona World Cup 1989 I think I will update all of the world cup tourneys when they are all assembled so we can include grand prix points and such. For now they are reference for those interested in the tournaments individually. Only Rotterdam 1989 left to finish and it's in progress. Excelsior! |
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Apr-07-09 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni: <suenteus> I'll probably spend time this week on the Brussels World Cup. I ought to be able to finish one tournament in the time it takes you to do five! So you're going to New Orleans for a conference? Poor fellow. Be sure to make a token appearance at the conference site.> I can't wait to see the Brussels World Cup when it's finished. It will be very impressive!Well, I'm booked at the conference hotel, so I'm at least guaranteed to walk through the conference on my way to/from libation establishments :) I entered in the games from the 10th Soviet championship, and will get to the other two when I get back on Saturday. In the meantime, have fun assembling the Brussels tournament! |
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Apr-10-09
 | | Phony Benoni: Recently, over in the Café, <blacksburg> posted a position in which his opponent offered a draw while a queen down in an otherwise lost position. Personally, I don't mind a single draw offer of that sort. If the opponent keeps offering draws I might start browsing through my Lucrezia Borgia cookbook, but a single offer is not a real problem. At least he's trying. Besides, I always get a good laugh out of ignoring their desperate plea. What I really hate is the opponent who won't resign "on principle", but has given up and is just trying to get the game over with as quickly as possible. Here's a recent example from GameKnot to illustrate this.
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Yes, I'm White. And, yes, my opponent is dragging it out. My Bozo 0.5 Computer says it's mate in 7 in any event, but I didn't bother going beyond finding a mate in four should Black take the h-apwn: <1.a8Q Kxh5 2. Qg8 Kh6 3.f4 Kh5 4.Qg5#> As a joke, I sent this line as a conditional--and Black, who obviously didn't care as long as he didn't have to resign, walked right into it from beginning to end. All of which leaves the eternal question: hemlock or cyanide? |
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Apr-11-09 | | technical draw: <Phony> Um, I hope you checked the computer AFTER the game was over. Even though it probably makes no difference checking a computer while this "game" is still in progress since I think all will agree even a class ZZZ player can win it without help. |
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Apr-11-09
 | | Phony Benoni: <technical draw> Oh, come now. You've played me enough to realize that the moves I come up with couldn't possibly be computer generated. |
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Apr-11-09
 | | Phony Benoni: An intersting passage from <Sphere>, by Michael Crichton: <"There were really only two kinds of child prodigies--mathematical and musical. Some psychologists argued there was only one kind, since music was so closely related to mathemnatics. While there were precocious children with other talents, such as writing, painting, and athletics, the only areas in which a child might truly perform at the level of an adult were in mathematics or music."> Well! This idiot is obviously not a chess player. Though, come to think of it, the only writers I can recall offhand who inlcude chess players among the child prodigies were writing chess books. But let that pass for right now; I found the next paragraph much more interesting. <"Psychologically, such children were complex; often loners, isolated from their peers and even from their families by their gifts, for which they were both admired and resented. Socialization skills were often retarded, making group interactions uncomfortable."> Maybe he's not a child prodigy, but one can't read this passage without thinking of Fischer. Or, for that matter, Morphy and Reshevsky, though Capablanca might be an exception. |
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Apr-11-09 | | chessman95: <Well! This idiot is obviously not a chess player.> I would say that chess falls somewhere in between music (or more accurate art) and mathematics, or even better it is a combination of the two, although probably more math-based. I can tell you that his evaluation of these 'child prodigies' is very accurate. |
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Apr-11-09
 | | Phony Benoni: <chessman95> I was joking with the "idiot" remark, of course. But I did find his description of child prodigies interesting as well. Perhaps music can be reduced in its essentials to mathematics, but it seems to me there's much more to it than that. Great music is not just a matter of recognizing the relationships between notes, but using those notes to create a pleasing and original pattern. And it's the same with chess. Another thought I had was about current-day prodigies, as opposed to the classical examples mentioned earlier (Morphy, Capablanca, Reshevsky, Fischer). Today's prodigies, instead of developing their talents in an atmosphere of explotation, indifference, or even opposition, have extensive opportunities for tutoring and study. I wonder if that interaction will affect their future psychological development as well. Why, just look at Kasparov. He had all sorts of opportunities for group study, and look how successful he was at forming and maintaining chess organizations. |
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Apr-12-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Phony Benoni>
Thanks so much for your contributions to the <Fawn Pawn> games collection!!!! I'd just like to thank you for all of the incredible work you have been doing in the service of <chess history>. I love chess history.
And I love you guys for becoming cracker jack <chess game historians>. Incredible work. |
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Apr-12-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Thank you!
I have added your finds to the collection, with proper accredidation to you. |
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Apr-13-09 | | suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni> The last one is ready for your perusal: Game Collection: Rotterdam World Cup 1989 Once <chessgames.com> uploads the games you submitted to the database the whole World Cup will be finished! |
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Apr-14-09
 | | Phony Benoni: <suenteus po 147> The World Cup has really taken shape in a hurry! That was an important series of events, and I was surprised nobody had taken it on before. Now that I've finally gotten Prague 1908 out of the way, I'll concentrate on the SovChamps for awhile. After that, I've got another little series planned. |
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