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| Mar-15-04 | | Hidden Skillz: i read this dude was the cuban champ..n at age 12 capablanca beat him 4 to 2 wit 6 draws..very nice for a lil boy.. |
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| Mar-15-04 | | Whitehat1963: Capa may have been a little boy, but he was already a chess giant by age 12. |
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| Mar-15-04 | | Calli: Not really. Corso was a whiz at tactics and could beat young Raul in the middle game. After losing the first two, Capablanca steered to the endgame. It worked, Corso then drew some he should have won and lost at least two that he should have drawn. Poor Corso never did understand the endgame. I saw an analysis of one the games that he published decades later. It was still incorrect! BTW- The match was not for the cuban championship, the score was 4-3 and Capa was 13. A couple of months later the Cuban Champ tournament was held and Capa finished only fourth, losing both games to Corso. He was not a world class player that age, although there were obvious hints of what was to come. |
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| Mar-15-04 | | Whitehat1963: <Calli>, let me ask you, then, which is the greater accomplishment, Fischer beating up on Donald Byrne in the "Game of the Century" or Capablanca beating Corzo in a match? Both were 13 at the time. |
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| Mar-15-04 | | Calli: Don't really know. I never comment on those comparison threads because to me its a big waste of time. What would Capa do in Fischer's era or Fischer in 1901? How about Morphy in the computer era? Who knows. You can't transplant them see how their talent would develop in a different environment, so why try. It just doesn't matter. Enjoy the games, the history and the analysis. *steps down from soapbox* |
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| Mar-16-04 | | Hidden Skillz: no..i never said it was a cuban championship..all i said corzo was the champ..i only commented on what capa did to corzo at age 12..n the results 4-2-6 like i said..if its wrong its wrong..i just kno what i read.. |
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| Mar-16-04 | | Calli: <Hidden Skillz> Yes, I know. All the books have it wrong. |
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| Mar-16-04 | | iron maiden: Whoa! Corzo's record is almost as bad as NN's! No wonder Capa had such an easy time with him! |
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| Mar-16-04 | | Bitzovich: But then, again, most of the games COrzo ever played were those against Capa, so, you know.. |
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| Dec-15-04 | | DanielBryant: You mean most of the ones that are in the database? |
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Dec-15-04
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Dec-27-04
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Born 24th June 1873 in Madrid
Died 27th September 1941 in Havana
He was Cuban champion in 1902. |
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| Mar-28-05 | | Karpova: <Calli: Yes, I know. All the books have it wrong.> Please give me an answer to this question: Why do you think you are right and all the book's were wrong? |
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| Mar-28-05 | | Calli: Contemporary sources in Cuba announced the match but none suggested it was a championship match. [Source: Capablanca by Edward Winter] Capa wrote in My Chess Career that he felt "morally, at least" to be the champ after the match. This, I think, is the source of all the subsequent reporting of the event. |
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| Mar-28-05 | | Karpova: <Calli>
So it was no official match. capablanca still managed to win a match under regular time control against the reigning cuban champion. Seems like Capa wasn't the cuban champion therafter, but the strongest cuban chessplayer! |
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| Mar-28-05 | | Calli: <karpova> Are you Karpov's wife? It was more or less a friendly match. Corso had given Raulito odds for a couple of years. He was a away for a while and when he returned his friends informed him that odds would no longer be possible against the youngster. He soon found it to be true and the match was arranged. Apparently, the two hardly needed the time controls. They played at some furious blitz pace according to "The Unknown Capablanca", IIRC. Given the 4-3 result and Capa's losses to Corso in the tournament that followed, I'd say the two were approximately equal strength in 1901-1902. |
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| Mar-28-05 | | Karpova: <Calli>
thanks for the background information!
no, i'm not Karpov's wife. |
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| Mar-28-05 | | paladin at large: <Calli>I agree completely with your comment on the futility of trying to compare the early achievements of Capablanca, Fischer, or anyone else across the ages. However, the first Corzo match game was on November 17 and Capablanca turned 13 on November 19, 1901, so - you are right, he was 13 when the match ended - but José was slightly younger than Fischer at the time Fischer beat Byrne. I recall that Chernev felt that one of Capablanca's victories over Corzo surpassed in virtuosity anything Fischer had achieved at a comparable age. (Of course, Chernev adored Capablanca.) All this is just colorful background - as you note, these games are simply to be enjoyed. |
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| Mar-28-05 | | Calli: Chernev was incredible Capablanca fan. I always adjust his raves on JRC a bit. His capablanca endings book, for instance, doesn't identify enough of the opponents errors. Anyway, Juan Corzo was nowhere near the strength of Byrne, but lets not get into such comparisions. True, JRC was 12 yrs 363 days old on the day of the first game and 13 yrs+ for the other 12 games of the match. To me, it would be incorrect to report his age as anything but 13 for the match. It is often reported as 12 only because one of Capa's books misprinted the year of the match as 1900. |
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| Jun-05-05 | | Heavy Metal Thunder: Fischer was US champ at 14, I guess that's a decent comparison point. |
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| Oct-24-05 | | who: <Calli - Corzo lost at least two that he should have drawn> I never knew what people mean by that. With analysis every loss is probably a missed draw at least. |
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| Jan-13-06 | | willamsmart: Juan Corzo is not the best player. He only won 42.3 of his games. |
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| Sep-24-06 | | Petrosian63: <williamsmart> Corzo did play a lot of matches against Capabalanca though and lost them... |
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| Nov-20-06 | | WarmasterKron: Winter gives scores of other matches Corzo: vs. Iglesias (+5 -0 =1), (+7 -5 =2) and vs. Blanco (+5 -0 =0)(!). According to his sources, Corzo also beat Lasker in some casual games. |
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| Feb-12-07 | | ianD: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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