Jun-23-14 | | zanzibar: Does anybody have any information on this player?
365chess.com (and rogerpaige's xtab) both give this player as X. Vasicek. |
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Jun-24-14 | | zanzibar: I'm unclear where the "F" comes from, all the sources I've found give him as "X" Vasicek. NIC gives his dob as "ca 1910"
Not sure what the "ca" means.
http://www.newinchess.com/Vasicek__...
A position used in tactical exercises also lists him as "X Vasicek": http://www.scribd.com/doc/217184440...
I'll submit a correction slip. |
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Jun-25-14 | | zanzibar: <CG> changed the name from <F Vasicek> to <X Vasicek> yesterday (or thereabouts): 2014-06-24 But I want to add these caveats that <Switch> noted in the <Biographer Bistro>: * * * * *
<<zanzibar> I always have serious misgivings about "X" as an initial because some sources use "X" as a placeholder when the first name is not known; the fake initial can then get copied to any number of sources, including ones that don't normally use placeholder initials.Furthermore, the initial "X" is very rare in the Czech Republic. "F" is much more common; for instance, there seems to have been (e.g. https://vufind.mzk.cz/Record/MZK01-... ) a chess figure called František Vašíček (supposedly 1912-1992), who could plausibly have played in Zlín 1943. (He's not to be confused with another, more recent player also named František Vašíček.) Of course, if the Czech journal you cite is contemporary and gives "X. Vašíček" for the Zlín player then that's probably accurate.> With this followup:
<http://storiascacchi.altervista.org...
lists "Vasicek,F" (and "Petrik,V", instead of the "Petrik,K" given elsewhere), but the source for those names is unclear. At the very least, though, cg.com isn't alone in giving the initial F.> * * * * *
The case for "X" isn't as watertight as I thought two days ago. Further research should be done. But we now agree with 365chess and NIC, and only 365chess gives the round numbers. storiascacchi, however, is the only site with a truly complete crosstable. They don't list their sources, afaik. Perhaps we could contact JAN KALENDOVSKY (Czech historian cited on rogerpaige's site for Zlin 1945), or cserica63 (webmaster for storiascacchi)? One last comment, X is rare, but I found a US-Czech name site listing the obvious: Xavier - Xaver |
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Jan-07-15 | | zanzibar: Vašíček is mentioned in this document:
http://www.starykyjov.cz/almanach_s... Google translate:
<STUDENT AND YOUTH CHESS in the twentiesPart IV. Congress Brno county chess tournament was a student
listed for learners of Kyjova and its surroundings. In the student tournament
This is the final result:
Eisinger 8 ½ I., II. Vasicek 6, III-IV Cahlík and Walk 5
V.-VI. Siebenschein and Kallab 4 ½, VII. Körner 4, VIII. Dufek 3 ½,
IX. Lunga 3, X. Šušák first
Great is the power Eisinger, a fifteen-year student who has authorized
his opponents only one remission. All participants of this tournament
were divided by the Book Awards and the winners were given in addition
cash prizes in tournaments like the others.
Students at IV tournament. Congress was the culmination of activities
gymnasts Activities in. Already in 1925, is the local real
grammar school student based ring:
"Student chess tournament. In the autumn of last year it was founded
the local real grammar school student chess club, which
includes that time 30 members and holds regular meetings. In the period from
end of November last year to January 11, 1926 was orchestrated in
ring this tournament nineteen participants in the two groups.
The outcome of the tournament is as follows:
Group I: 8 Eisinger, Körner, Lunga, David, Maštalíř 6, Hauser
5, Prince, Severin 3, Vaňhara, Marholka 1 ½. II. group:
O. Cahlík 7 ½, Vasicek 7 Harabus and Krejčiřík 5 Svozil 3, 34
Kudláč, Wodak 2 ½, Schönthal 2, 1 ½ Dittler.
Chess Club is pleased monitors the activities of this club and hopes
the industrious student is simultaneously also the county tournaments in 1926
Kyjovské club organized.
(Kyjovsko 22. 1. 1926)>
Original Czech text:
<STUDENTSKÝ A MLÁDEŽNICKÝ ŠACH VE DVACÁTÝCH LETECHSoučástí IV. sjezdu brněnské šachové župy byl i studentský turnaj
vypsaný pro studující z Kyjova a okolí. Ve studentském turnaji
je konečný výsledek tento:
I. Eisinger 8 ½, II. Vašíček 6, III.-IV. Cahlík a Procházka 5,
V.-VI. Siebenschein a Kallab 4 ½, VII. Körner 4, VIII. Dufek 3 ½,
IX. Lunga 3, X. Šušák 1.
Skvělý je výkon Eisingera, patnáctiletého studenta, který povolil
svým soupeřům jen jednu remisu. Všichni účastníci tohoto turnaje
byli poděleni knižními cenami a vítězové kromě toho dostali
peněžité ceny jako v turnajích ostatních.
Studentský turnaj při IV. sjezdu byl vyvrcholením aktivit
gymnazistů v Kyjově. Již v roce 1925 je na zdejším reálném
gymnásiu založen studentský kroužek:
„Studentský šachový turnaj. Na podzim minulého roku založen byl
na zdejším reálném gymnásiu studentský šachový kroužek, který
čítá toho času 30 členů a pořádá pravidelné schůzky. V době od
konce listopadu minulého roku do 11. ledna 1926 sehrán byl v
kroužku tomto turnaj devatenácti účastníků ve dvou skupinách.
Výsledek turnaje jest následující:
I. skupina: Eisinger 8, Körner, Lunga, David, Maštalíř 6, Hauser
5, Princ, Severin 3, Vaňhara, Marholka 1 ½. II. skupina:
O. Cahlík 7 ½, Vašíček 7, Harabus a Krejčiřík 5, Svozil 3, 34
Kudláč, Wodak 2 ½, Schönthal 2, Dittler 1 ½.
Šachový klub sleduje s potěšením činnost tohoto kroužku a doufá,
že snaživí studenti súčastní se též župních turnajů v roce 1926
klubem kyjovským pořádaných.“ (Kyjovsko 22. 1. 1926)> |
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Jan-07-15 | | zanzibar: I still think the "X" is reasonable, as it corresponds to other databases on the web, and as I can't find any affirmative evidence for another name. The uncertainty should be mentioned in the bio, with the primary alt being František (which is a distinct possibility - but there is no direct connection to the 1943 tournament for this player that I could find as yet). Note that from this site:
http://sachy-vsetin.cz/files/files/... There is a <Československý šach 10 a 11 čislo> article from 1946 that mentions two chess players with the name <Vašíček>: <Vašíček, František> and also <Vašíček, Jaroslav JČ> Does anybody know what the designation JČ might mean? |
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Jan-08-15 | | zanzibar: Continuing my research - I would like to find games from this period (i.e. 1920-1940 or later) for any <Vašíček>, but for <František> in particular (to test <switch>'s idea). It will be difficult, as acknowledged here:
http://www.sachy-vsetin.cz/380-soup... <The oldest surviving founding team roster Chess Wallachian district (SVO) from I.ročníku the spring of 1944, as recorded mainly found in the Chronicle ŠK Sokol Ústí, as recorded in the Journal II.ročníku 1944-1945 SVO no. 13 of 29 November 1944 and supplemented of the squads subsequent years. Some players are given a surname without first names, because it has not been preserved. Surname several players can appear in different sections due to their transgress or that the merged partitions. This list does not constitute a list of powerful players chess players, but only documents the enormous interest in the game of chess devotees of the 2nd World War and in the postwar period Wallachian region, which has managed to trace and record. Team competition within the SVO began playing in osmičlenných teams. From the overview it is clear that certain cooperatives at that time to obtain the minimum number of players roster, while elsewhere in the list have several tens players. Players are listed without titles, MD., Mgr., Ing. Etc., since they do not always have with player names and the order on schedules.> (In translation)
Mention of a Vašíček is found:
<ŠOSK VELKÉ KARLOVICE 1944: Gavlík Jaroslav, Wenzel Rajmund, Solanský Josef, Solanský Jan, Orság Luboš, Zeť František, <Vašíček Josef>, Janík Jiří, Ondrušek Josef, Haluza Ota, Karaba, Slonka Jaroslav, Kuchař Zdeněk, Vičan Josef a Janíček František.> A <Josef>, for <ŠOSK VELKÉ KARLOVICE > = Statuette(?)Greater Karlovice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlov...
I assume ŠOSK is a Chess Club designation.
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<The student won the tournament Eisinger 8.5, <II. Vasicek 6>, III-IV.Cahlík and Walk 5, V.-VI. Siebenschein and Kallab 4.5, without prices Korner 4, Dufek 3.5, Lunga 3 Šušák first> (R. Procházka – Časopis čsl. šachistů 1926, 138-9) http://jmss.chess.cz/view_artefact.... So there was a strong student player by the name <Vašíček> in 1926. * * * * *
Again, listed in the xtab only as <Vašíček> he shows up in ~ middle position (7/12) in <Přebor Brna 1952> (Československý šach 1952, 131. Jen pořadí) No games are available afaict.
http://www.jmss.chess.cz/data/jmss_... * * * * *
That exhausts the time I wish to spend on it today. There seems to be no games of <F. Vašíček> available. Which seems funny for someone who showed up as a chess author. https://vufind.mzk.cz/Record/MZK01-... (<switch>'s link) |
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Jan-08-15 | | zanzibar: By the way, <switch>, how exactly did you find your link? If I do a google search like this:
<Vašíček šachy site:vufind.mzk.cz> I don't find it.
The only way I seem to dig it out is if I almost explicitly go searching for it: <Vašíček, František site:vufind.mzk.cz> http://www.google.com/search?q=Va%C... |
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