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| Aug-03-06 | | letekro: This game is my personal favorite example of the Morra Gambit. J Shipman vs L Mercuri, 1987
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| Aug-09-06 | | soughzin: Do you think the gran prix attack (with or without Nc3 first) is viable as a solid and longterm weapon against the sicilian. I don't mind to play some mainlines, but I already play e4 and have some sharp lines to study so to know the najdorf, classical, dragon, pelikan, sveshnivok, kalishnikov, schevnegeninianin...ITS JUST TOO MUCH lol. So the "antis" seem Very appetising to me. I don't enjoy the closed, and I'd prefer not to give my bishop up in the rossolimo lines. I've tried the morra some but with mixed results(and it was annoying when it turned alapin) + I'm not sure it's totally sound. c3 is an option but it's a little passive. What's left then, just about nothing! That's why I'm hoping I can make a go of the gp attack.I'm +3-0=0 in my first 3 attempts,albeit against slightly weaker opposition) |
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| Aug-09-06 | | euripides: <c3 is an option but it's a little passive. > I don't think so. I don't find it easy playing against c3 and I would guess many Sicilian players feel the same way. |
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| Aug-09-06 | | letekro: <soughzin> I play the Sicilian as black and I find all the other anti systems you name much more irritating to face than the Grand Prix. Obviously, it depends on the strength of the players involved (an IM, for example, could beat me routinely by playing, say, 2. h3 against the Sicilian let alone the Grand Prix). That said, I find the Grand Prix very easy to play against. Below is one of many easy wins I have had with Black against the Grand Prix. Bottom line though, is if you enjoy playing it and are comfortable with the positions you get then play it by all means. It's just hard for me to get my head around the idea of the Grand Prix as a "solid and longterm weapon" when I have had so many easy wins against it. 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 g6 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bc4 e6 6. f5 Nge7 7. fe6: fe6: 8. d3 d5 9. ed5: ed5: 10. Bb5 O-O 11. Bc6: bc6: 12. O-O Rb8 13. Na4 Nf5 14. c3 d4 15. Re1 Nh4 16. Nh4: Qh4: 17. g3 Qd8 18. Bf4 dc3: 19. Bb8: Qd4+ 20. Kh1 Bg4 21. Qb3+ Kh8 22. Rf1 Rf2 23. Qc4 Bf3+ 24. Kg1 Rg2+ 25. Kh1 Rg1# |
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| Nov-12-06 | | HoopDreams: after 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 e6 5. Nf3 Bb4 6. Qd4 Bxc3+ the right move would be Qxc3 right? |
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| Nov-13-06 | | Zebra: Lines with b3 / Bb2 seem to score very well in the database. What is considered the best formation to adopt against them as black? |
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| Nov-16-06 | | HoopDreams: 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 e6 5. Nf3 Bb4 6. Qd4 Bxc3
7. Qxc3 Nf6 8. Bg5 O-O 9. e5 Ne4 10. Bxd8 Nxc3 11. Be7 Re8 12. Bd6 Nd5 ahhhh white has no advantage, does anyone have advice of how i should have played this...? |
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| Nov-21-06 | | HoopDreams: if your playing some person that is very good with grand prix attack cant you play 1.e4 e6 2. d4 c5 avoiding closed sicilan??/ OMG what do i do i dont want to play open sicilan help help!! i want my grand prix attack!!! |
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| Nov-24-06 | | hitman84: Opening of the day - Smith Morra Gambit.
I feel the opening is yet to be refuted but in some lines white'll have to fight for equality. Its a very good weapon against the sicillian in the shorter version of the game. |
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| Nov-24-06 | | MaxxLange: <HoopDreams> That looks fine if you are comfortable playing the so-called "Franco-Benoni" after 3.d5, usually (I think) followed by Nc3 (without c4) This is supposed to be dubious for Black, but it looks playable at club level to me. |
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| Nov-24-06 | | zerathul: If u are a Sicilian player looking for a refutation of the Morra Gambit, this is the line for u 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 d6 6. Bc4 a6! 7. O-O Nf6 From now on, Black scores 60% or more in every sub-variation, in every database |
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| Nov-24-06 | | jedrus07: Have a look at this line:
1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 d6
6. Bc4 a6 7. O-O Nf6 8. Bg5 e6 9. Qe2 Be7 10. Rfd1 Qc7 11. Rac1 O-O 12. Bb3 h6
13. Bf4 e5 14. Be3 Qd8 15. Nd5 Nxd5 16. Bxd5 Bd7
Can you tell me any improvements for black play, because its morra and white stands better. |
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| Nov-24-06 | | jedrus07: The upper message is the answer for zerathul msg about refutation (and follow his line) |
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| Nov-24-06 | | zerathul: <jedrus07> sure i can ! with 8. Bg5 white is immediatly worse 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 d6
6. Bc4 a6 7. O-O Nf6 8. Bg5 e6 9. Qe2 h6 !
Black gets the initiative and he is a pawn up, White can play 10. Bh4 g5 11. Bg3 Nh5
Fritz 10 eval (-0.98) 16ply
10. Bf4 g5 11. Be3 Ng4
Fritz 10 eval (-0.42) 16ply
10. Be3 Ng4 11. Bd2 (if Bf4 g5 traspose to above) b5
Fritz 10 eval (-0.52) 16ply
10. Be2 Be7
Fritz 10 eval (-0.37) 16ply
10. Bxf6 Qxf6
Fritz 10 eval (-0.91) 16ply
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| Nov-24-06 | | jedrus07: Thank you for your reaply- it was highly inspiring so i had to check by myself if there is any good variation for white... And in my opinion there is! Fritz rates 10. Bd2 as not so good move, but i see that in your variation it is like forced, so i decided to begin with this one, not caring what Fritz has to say... And after just 5 moves by white my Fritz thinks that the white, despite being down a pawn has enough recompansation. Have a look at this:
10. Bd2!? Be7 11. Rfd1 b5
12. Bb3 O-O 13. Bf4 Qc7 14. Rac1
I think this gambit is very complex and hard to evaluate even with Fritz at 16ply! :) |
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| Nov-24-06 | | zerathul: 10. Bd2 Be7 11. Rfd1 b5
12. Bb3 Bb7 13. Bf4 g5 14. Be3 Ng4
black has strong center, control of dark squares, plan of playing b4 and still a pawn up the big problem with the 8.Bg5 line is that black can force white to swap his dark square bishop or to relegate it to d2 where it's passive and block the d-file, then he can easily take the initiative on the queenside don't assume black will castle too soon, experienced players don't do it if there is something better to do, expecially Najdorf players knows black king is generally happy in the center other lines i'm aware of in the 6. ...a6 variations are not expecially better for white, black at worse get a small plus |
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| Nov-26-06 | | HoopDreams: thats why white isnt supposed to play 8. Bg5? but hold off developing to see which square to go to |
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| Nov-26-06 | | HoopDreams: <zerathul> there is no known refuation for smith morra gambit |
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| Nov-26-06 | | Manic: I agree with <HoopDreams>, I believe there is no known refutation but while this opening is very dangerous with black, I hear (it's only a rumour) that it is unsound with best play, but you have to be a GM to refute it. It works extremely well at club level. |
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| Nov-26-06 | | euripides: One of Nigel Davies' columns on chesscafe gave quite a nice discussion of how a strong player can deal with White's threats in the Morra, but as far as I remember he agrees it's quite effective in club chess. Personally I prefer to send white back to the c3 Sicilian with Nf6. |
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| Dec-04-06 | | zerathul: <HoopDreams> so post a line in the 6. ...a6 variation where white has some advantage |
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| Dec-31-06 | | HoopDreams: <zerathul> 1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 d6 6. Bc4 a6 7. Bg5 Nf6 8. Bxf6 gxf6 9. 0-0 e6 10. Nd4 |
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| Dec-31-06 | | HoopDreams: <euripides> yes this is the reason i dont play the smith morra anymore and play roman's grand prix attack instead....in almost all of my games people would never accept the gambit and it would get into c3 sicilian lines which i hated. I had studied lines on the smith morra so much from Hannes Langrocks new book but i never got to use them!! |
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| Jan-01-07 | | HoopDreams: < Manic: I agree with <HoopDreams>, I believe there is no known refutation but while this opening is very dangerous with black, I hear (it's only a rumour) that it is unsound with best play, but you have to be a GM to refute it. It works extremely well at club level.> Smith Morra gambit is not unsound with best play, GMs cannot refute it |
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| Mar-16-07 | | Holden: Opening of the day, Smith-Morra. I play SM as my only response to 1...c5 in 5 min blitz or less. I don't mind a transposition to Alapin, which I intend to learn more about. The Alapin is a different kind of game, though. |
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