Dec-24-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
It appears a little strange that White lost this game, given that after the final move 56.Nxg6, the position is clearly winning for White: 
click for larger view<jnpope> has some ideas about this: <"After 56.Nxg6 Kxg6 57.Kxb2, White would mate in 17 moves. So I'm guessing it may have been a time scramble (which would make sense if move 60 was a time control target), and after 56.Nxg6 Bornholz noticed Kashdan's flag had fallen and claimed the game".> Biographer Bistro (kibitz #22506) |
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Dec-24-21
 | | MissScarlett: Agreed, a loss on time makes sense, but what was the result of their game in the final section? Does Lahde have that game score? |
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Dec-24-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<MissScarlett> thank you for helping! Yes, Lahde does print the same result (0-1) on both the game score and also the results table at the end of his <Kashdan> biography. Lahde lists his source for the game score as:
<Brooklyn Daily Eagle, November 25, 1925> |
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Dec-25-21
| | MissScarlett: <Brooklyn Daily Eagle, November 25, 1925, p.4A> gives the score 1-0 to Kashdan, so this is what I was getting at - this is the game from the final section, not the preliminary. |
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Dec-25-21
 | | jnpope: <Brooklyn Daily Eagle, November 25, 1925, p.4A> repeatedly says "finals", so the Albert Hallgarten prelim-A is missing (or did Lahde mistakenly swap the games)? |
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Dec-25-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
jnpope
I just posted all of the information I have on this game and the second game as well over at the Biographer's Bistro. I think it's possible that the games have been swapped. If someone can get access to (En Passant, January - March 1955), we may learn more. I think we may have to make a judgment call at some point. If we get it right, then we may be the only chess site who has the legendary "missing game." |
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Dec-25-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
At the moment, I think the information you and Miss Scarlett got from the BDE Nov. 25, 1925, p. 4A is the best primary source we have so far? |
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Dec-25-21
| | MissScarlett: I suspect it's the only source. |
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Dec-25-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<MissScarlett> again, thanks for helping out on this one. So we should swap the two games we have into the correct order right? To get the correct final game, all we need to do is change the Event tag. To get the correct prelim game, I will have to finish transcribing the score and then upload it with the correct Event tag. |
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Dec-25-21
| | jnpope: Does Lahde have another White:Kashdan vs Black:Bornholz game stated to be from the Hallgarten tournament (which is probably the real prelim-A section game)? And does he have a White:Bornholz vs Black:Kashdan game stated to be from the Hallgarten tournament (which would be the second Finals section game)? |
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Jan-29-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<jnpope> sorry for the late response, I just now read your last post. in <Laude's> biography, the game on this page is the only <Kashdan-Bornholz> encounter listed as "Hallgarten." Irritatingly, there is actually another <Kashdan-Bornholz> "Hallgarten" game but in fact it is an exact duplicate of the game on this page. I have since discovered 6 more pairs of exact duplicates in <Laude's> Kashdan biography, and I'm only half way through his book now. Certainly a weak point in this volume is the atrocious lack of proof reading. So far there have also been two impossible game scores that I had to repair with the aid of my chess engine. Simple typographical errors, but certainly they should have been caught by a proofreader prior to publication. |
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Jan-30-22
| | jnpope: <<jnpope> sorry for the late response, I just now read your last post.> That's ok. I believe I asked the same question in the bio bistro and you answered it over there. <I have since discovered 6 more pairs of exact duplicates in <Laude's> Kashdan biography, and I'm only half way through his book now.> That does seem like a high number of duplicates for a book that came out in 2009. Hopefully it's still better than not having a book on Kashdan? |
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Jan-30-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<jnpope>
Yes it is much better than not having a book on Kashdan. I would say the pluses outweigh the minuses, but this is one of the reasons the lack of proofreading is so annoying. It bespeaks a lack of rigor, or even laziness, that does not do justice to the value of Laude's research. He gives many, many games and almost all of them have a primary source listed. He also provides cross tables for the events, and much interesting biographical detail about Kashdan, some gleaned from Kashdan family members. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the volume, but if I did I would be sure to alert a prospective buyer about the lack of proofreading. |
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