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Alexander Grischuk vs Veselin Topalov
"Grishop Pair" (game of the day Apr-13-2022)
Gashimov Memorial (2019), Shamkir AZE, rd 5, Apr-04
Queen's Gambit Declined: Harrwitz Attack. Two Knights Defense (D37)  ·  1-0

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Apr-04-19  Nosnibor: Maybe Qe5 now when the two bishops should be more than a match for the Knights.
Apr-04-19
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  ChessHigherCat: Hee agree wit mee

In that photo, Topalov looks like he's been taken to the some Russian restaurant in NYC and he's about to say: This is what you call borscht???

Apr-04-19
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  ChessHigherCat: Although he's Bulgarian, of course.
Apr-04-19
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  ChessHigherCat: What about Qc6?
Apr-04-19  Ulhumbrus: The idea behind Bc6 may be Be4+ and then on ...Kh7, Qc8 threatening Qh8+ mate
Apr-04-19
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  ChessHigherCat: SF suggested Nf5 but I like Toppleoff's idea better because it prevents Qc7+
Apr-04-19
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  ChessHigherCat: I'd play Qe1 and go for the perpet
Apr-04-19
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  ChessHigherCat: Qe1 doesn't work because of Qd7+?
Apr-04-19  Nosnibor: There is no perpetual the Bishop covers the g1 square.
Apr-04-19
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  ChessHigherCat: Of course, what a fool I am, Qe1 doesn't work because of the obvious mate-in-25!:

1) mate-in-25 (32 ply) 70.Qd7+ Kg6 71.Be4+ Qxe4 72.Qxe8+ Kh7 73.fxe4 Nxd4 74.Qd7+ Kg8 75.Qxd4 Kf7 76.Qd7+ Kf6 77.Qf5+ Ke7 78.Qxg5+ Kd6 79.Qf6+ Kc7 80.Qxh4 Kc8 81.Qxf4 Kd8 82.Qg5+ Ke8 83.Kg3 Kf7 84.Kf4 Ke6 85.Qxb5 Kd6 86.Qd5+ Kc7 87.Qc5+ Kb7 88.Qb5+ Kc8 89.Ke5 Kd8 90.Qc5 Ke8 91.Ke6 Kd8 92.Kd6

Apr-04-19  mosheach: 69..Qe1 70 Qe7ch What about 70...Kf8?
Apr-04-19  mosheach: Sorry, 70Qd7ch
Apr-04-19
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  ChessHigherCat: < Nosnibor: There is no perpetual the Bishop covers the g1 square.>

You're right about Qg3+ Kh1 Qe1+ Bg1, but it's still interesting because now white doesn't have a mating threat anymore

Apr-04-19  Ulhumbrus: 69 Qc6 threatens both Bxe3 and Qd7+. It may be that the resource 68 Bd4! taking advantage of the pin on the N on e6 forking the b6 pawn and the queen was not easy to find eg because White had any number of alternative choices which were more obvious and it would have taken time to examine them all even unsatisfactorily. However it may be that Grischuk has acquired experience of such endings in training sessions and has learnt to look for such pins.
Apr-04-19
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Wish I could have seen this game live. Barring the discovery of significant errors on either side, this looks like a brilliant demonstration of how to slowly melt your opponent's position like Capablanca.
Apr-04-19  Stanley Yee: Does 39... b5 win a pawn? Apparently not, as the eventual Qh5 and Qb5 gets one back.
Apr-05-19  Ulhumbrus: As Grischuk gains the two bishops against two knights this suggests the question of how he gains them.

He gains the first bishop by 14 Nd6 and this suggests that 14 Nd6 is a threat, a threat which the move 13...a6 does not answer. This suggests an alternative which prevents 14 Nd6 eg 13...Rf8-d8 or 13...Nf6-e4 or 13...Nc5-e4.

Sixteen moves later the exchange 29...Bxc4 concedes the second bishop for a knight. Even if White is ready to play e4 obstructing the bishop that does not mean that the bishop will become useless because it will remain still a potential opponent of White's king's bishop.

Both of the concessions seem unnecessary. If 13...a6 can be called Topalov's first mistake, 29...Bxc4 can be called the second mistake and perhaps the losing mistake.

Apr-05-19
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  ChessHigherCat: Maybe but I would never presume to outcalculate Topalov, to me he's like Kasparov or MVL.
Apr-05-19  ReneDescartes: He's like Kasparov or MVL, but he's 44 and little calculation errors are precisely what get older masters in trouble. Besides, even Kasparov or MVL make calculation errors and very occasional blunders.
Apr-05-19
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  ChessHigherCat: That's true, he's 44, but applying a beginner's rule like trading knights for bishops to Topalov? I remember last year there was some tournament with Topalov broadcast on CG and all the patzers were criticizing him for this or that but he always turned the game around and in fact nobody understood his plan in the first place.
Apr-13-22  Brenin: Grischuk's bishops make Topalov's knights topple off.
Apr-13-22  lakshashishu: Horrible pun I mean worst in long time!
Apr-13-22
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  MissScarlett: You ain't seen nothing yet!
Apr-13-22  N0B0DY: has it!
Apr-13-22
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  HeMateMe: Impressive win. In these kinds of positions, symmetrical pawn structures with no Rooks on the board you usually have a draw among grandmasters.
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