| Feb-02-18 | | znsprdx: HELP
Aronian had 6x the time 25. to move
Speculation has it that he wanted to play MVL in tie breaks - maybe to show his dominance ?? Was the rook sac just diplomatic handshake to Naka - saying nice try but no trophy this time.
Too bad the 3 of them played in London without tie offers - this Tournament wasn't for SGM's |
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| Feb-02-18 | | lost in space: Probably a miscalculation, missing the safe for Black |
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| Feb-02-18 | | lost in space: Position after 28...Kh7:
click for larger viewI guess whites’s plan was to play 29. Re3 and 30. Rh3#, but this doesn’t work: 29. Re3? Ra1+ 30. Kf2 Qxb2+ 31. Ne2 Qg7!! and no mate. Black wins. So the Rep was to avoid a loss after a miscalculation (Rxh5) |
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| Feb-02-18 | | ChessHigherCat: <lost in space: I guess whites’s plan was to play 29. Re3 and 30. Rh3#, but this doesn’t work: 29. Re3? Ra1+ 30. Kf2 Qxb2+ 31. Ne2 Qg7!! and no mate>
I'm not sure whether this line works either but at least it prevents 31. Qg7: 31. Re2 Qc1 32. Nf3 Qh6 ( 32...Qf1+ 33. Kg3 Qxe2?? 34. Ng5+! Kg7 35. Qxe2) 33. Ng5+ Kh8 34. h4 Rg8?? 39. Kxg7) Instead of winning the queen with Ng5+, white also has an interesting double check with Ne6+, but I haven't analyzed it out. Of course black isn't stupid enough to play Rg8 but White is still a pawn up and seems to have attacking potential while black's attack has kind of fizzled out. |
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| Feb-03-18 | | Ulhumbrus: Suppose that instead of 16 Bxb5 White tries 16 Nc6. On 16...Bxc6 17 dxc6 Qb6+ 18 Kh1 Qxc6 19 Bf3 d5 20 Nxd5 looks promising. |
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| Feb-03-18 | | lost in space: <<ChessHigherCat:> <lost in space: I guess whites’s plan was to play 29. Re3 and 30. Rh3#, but this doesn’t work: 29. Re3? Ra1+ 30. Kf2 Qxb2+ 31. Ne2 Qg7!! and no mate> I'm not sure whether this line works either but at least it prevents 31. Qg7:
31. Re2 Qc1 32. Nf3 Qh6 ( 32...Qf1+ 33. Kg3 Qxe2?? 34. Ng5+! Kg7 35. Qxe2) 33. Ng5+ Kh8 34. h4 Rg8?? 39. Kxg7)> I think also after 31 Re2 Qc1 32. Nf3 Qf1+ 33. Kg3 
click for larger viewBlack is winning after 33...Rg8! 34. Ng5+ Rxg5 35. Qxg5 Ra3+ 36. Re3 Qg2+ 37. Kh4 Qh2+ 38. Kg4 Qg2+ 39. Kh4 Qxg5+ 40. Kxg5 Rxe3 
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So this line does not work for white. |
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| Feb-03-18 | | ChessHigherCat: <Lost in Space> Good point, so I guess Aronian really must have "blundered" there |
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| Feb-03-18 | | lost in space: Yeps, and I think he planed 29. Re3 and mate and found after his Rook sac that the line is not working. Instead of losing he decided to make a draw by repetition. |
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| Feb-03-18 | | Ulhumbrus: <ChessHigherCat:> <lost in space: I guess whites’s plan was to play 29. Re3 and 30. Rh3#, but this doesn’t work: 29. Re3? Ra1+ 30. Kf2 Qxb2+ 31. Ne2 Qg7!! and no mate> let us try a slight adjustment to this: 29 f6 gxf6 and only now 30 Re3:30...Ra1+ 31 Kf2 Qxb2+ 32 Ne2 and now Black's pawn on f6 obstructs the way back to g7 for Black's queen. |
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| Feb-04-18 | | ChessHigherCat: <Ulhumbrus> Brilliant! (my only criticism is that there's no more g pawn at this point, so you meant 29. f6 exf6, right?) I wonder why Aronian didn't do it then? The only reason I can think of is that maybe black has better alternatives than Ra1+, etc. After 29. f6, exf6 is certainly forced because of the mating threat on g7 and if 29. Rg8??? Qh5#. |
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| Feb-04-18 | | JPi: <ChessHigherCat><Ulhumbrus> Clever, however I doubt players as Aronian and Nakamura missed such combination. What about 29.f6 exf6 30.Re3 Ra1+ 31.Kf2 Qxb2+ 32.Ne2 Qb6 and White still can't use his Rook for the mate. |
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| Feb-04-18 | | ChessHigherCat: <JPi> On t'a demandé ton avis peut-être? Just kidding, that's true. I was looking at Nd4 but it just leads to a perpetual: 33. Nd4 Ra2+ 34. Ne2 because if 34. Kg3?? Rxg2! |
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| Feb-04-18 | | JPi: Pas de problème <ChessHigherCat> je suis désormais � un age qui ne prend pas la mouche facilement. |
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| Feb-04-18 | | ChessHigherCat: <JPi> <Pas de problème je suis désormais à un age qui ne prend pas la mouche facilement.> Cela tombe bien parce que je ne peux m'empêcher de faire un autre mauvais jeu d'esprit: La vieille grenouille ne prend plus les mouches si facilement? (il faut m'excuser, je suis gravement malade ;-) |
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| Feb-05-18 | | Ulhumbrus: <ChessHigherCat: <Ulhumbrus> Brilliant! (my only criticism is that there's no more g pawn at this point, so you meant 29. f6 exf6, right?) I wonder why Aronian didn't do it then? The only reason I can think of is that maybe black has better alternatives than Ra1+, etc. After 29. f6, exf6 is certainly forced because of the mating threat on g7 and if 29. Rg8??? Qh5#.> Yes, I did mean 29...exf6 < JPi: <ChessHigherCat><Ulhumbrus> Clever, however I doubt players as Aronian and Nakamura missed such combination. What about 29.f6 exf6 30.Re3 Ra1+ 31.Kf2 Qxb2+ 32.Ne2 Qb6 and White still can't use his Rook for the mate.> How about a second adjustment: On 29 f6 exf6 first 30 c5 Qxc5 and now 31 Re3 Ra1+ 32 Kf2 and Black can't play 32...Qc2+ |
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| Feb-05-18 | | ChessHigherCat: <JPi> On demande ton avis!: <Ulhumbrus: How about a second adjustment: On 29 f6 exf6 first 30 c5 Qxc5 and now 31 Re3 Ra1+ 32 Kf2 and Black can't play 32...Qc2+> |
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| Feb-05-18 | | JPi: <Ulhumbrus> On 30.c5 Why not 30...Qxb2. <ChessHigherCat> I hope you will soon recover. Having a sense of humor helps to maintain good health. |
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| Feb-05-18 | | ChessHigherCat: <JPi> Je voulais dire que je suis un malade mental, c.à.d. fou, mais c'était encore une blague. Les blagues en ligne souvent se perdent or se prennent au sérieux malheureusement. |
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| Feb-05-18 | | Ulhumbrus: <JPi: <Ulhumbrus> On 30.c5 Why not 30...Qxb2.> Then one possibility is the zwischenzug 31 c6 before doing anything else |
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| Feb-05-18 | | JPi: <Ulhumbrus> on 31.c6 Ra1 is an easy way to force the draw. In fact even on 30...Qxc5 31.Re3 Qc1+ 32.Kf2 Qxb2+ 33.Ne2 Qb6 White has to go for the perpetual check. Rook is a lot indeed. I don't know if Aronian did this sacrifice on purpose of a draw just to play his friend Maxime on tie break. Or did he confuse himself on aesthetic mirage attack by Rxh5? I don't know. These Chess artists have another common meaning. |
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| Feb-05-18 | | JPi: <ChessHigherCat> La folie véritable n'est-elle pas celle qui s'ignore ? Vous savoir avec le sens de l'humour et la sant� qui l'accompagne est la bonne nouvelle de ce jour. |
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| Feb-15-18 | | Ulhumbrus: One alternative to 14 a4 is 14 Bf3 supporting the invasion Nc6. |
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