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Magnus Carlsen vs Veselin Topalov
Sinquefield Cup (2015), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 1, Aug-23
Sicilian Defense: Canal Attack (B51)  ·  0-1

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Aug-24-15  NeverAgain: That "lowlife" quote is an obvious translation screwup. Most likely the source that was translated from actually meant something like "nerd" or "dweeb". Looking through the rest of that post I wonder how come ppl picked up on "lowlife" while ignoring such gems as

<perhaps more obvious than the expectation of seeing Carlsen drill a perilous grin in Topalov>

That's more creepy than funny, though. The idea of "drilling a grin" in a person may be an indication that English may be the least of the poster's problems.

Aug-24-15  Ulhumbrus: If 7...g5? is a losing mistake the main reason appears to be that Black has exposed his queen side as well, so that after this Black's king has no safe place left on the board. Where is Black going to place his king? After Black has exposed both wings, where is his king going to find safety?

However if Black's queen's bishop can occupy the h1-a8 diagonal and Black's king's rook can occupy the g file White's king may become exposed to attack as well as in the games Kramnik vs Anand, 2008 and Kramnik vs Anand, 2008

If 10 Na3 does not turn out well one alternative is 10 Bxc4 threatening the f7 pawn eg 10...Nxc4 11 Qa4+ Bd7 12 Qxc4 and now where will Black's king be safe?

Aug-24-15  Tomlinsky: <kellmano: Wonder what makes Topalov think a moustache suits him.>

Toplipalov?

Aug-24-15  miamihurricane: Super exciting start-no draws! Let's hope this pattern continues!
Aug-24-15  patzer2: Topalov's 7...g5! novelty looks sound. If instead of 10. Na3 Rg8 =, White tries 10. Nf3 = Black's position is still OK.
Aug-24-15  Underworld: Feels like I just saw Topalov destroy a under 2200 player.
Aug-24-15  dusk: <Penguincw: Are you sure, because Andre Lilienthal has defeated Lasker, Capablanca, Euwe, Botvinnik and Smyslov (5). As a bonus, he also beat women's world champion Menchik.>

Defeatig 5 not reigning world champion is nowhere near the record by the way, as far as I know. Keres had beaten 11 world champions for example.

Aug-24-15  Jim Bartle: <Keres had beaten 11 world champions for example.>

How is that possible?

Capablanca, Alekhine, Euwe, Botvinnik, Smyslov, Tal, Petrosian, Spassky, Fischer. Impressive, but that is nine.

Aug-24-15  Bruce Graham: <Jim Bartle> Quite so. Keres and Korchnoi are the go-to guys for records beating World Champions.
Aug-24-15  dusk: <Jim Bartle> My bad, it's 9. I remembered that it was an odd number and around 10, lol. Tied with Korchnoi and Beliavsky I suppose.
Aug-24-15  Jim Bartle: At least it made me look it up, which was interesting.
Aug-24-15  Jambow: Very nice mix of tactics and position gains by Topalov, Magnus still looking well below par however. It seems like Topalov has grown as a player.

Never was a huge fan of Topalov but I'm ashamed to admit my disdain for Danilov probably played a part. Always bothered by his relative deficit in the endgame too, but tactically he is a monster.

Aug-24-15  BOSTER: <Jim Bartle: Impressive that is nine>. I want to add one more-
Karpov.
Aug-24-15  okocha: Giri's comments about Magnus' game are just NO COMMENT. What was his idea at first, mentioning his wife ?!
Magnus is World Champion 2x in classical chess. Giri must "eat a lot" to get any where near. Topalov is great player, ex world champ, fantastic attacker.
Aug-24-15  fisayo123: <Jambow> Very strange kibitz.
Aug-24-15  OneArmedScissor: Oy vey! It's anotha shoah! Ira, how many shekels did you lose on this game? Oy gevalt!
Aug-24-15  Kinghunt: 11. Nxc4? may not be terrible according to the engines, but in a practical sense, it was the losing move. White's compensation is nebulous, and a single mistake later on in the game (as happened with 17. e5) leaves white down a piece. Too speculative a piece sacrifice that makes life much too difficult for white, in my opinion.
Aug-24-15
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  perfidious: <kellmano....I hate it when players imply that if only they hadn't blundered they would have won because they are the better player.>

Not to mention when that sort of thing is stated outright.

Reminds me of a game against a friend many years ago, who was about 200 points weaker than me.

In this tilt, he had an advantage for most of the game as Black, but lost his grip and I managed a win in the end. Afterwards, a mutual friend snarled at how I 'got lucky'. I just laughed it off.

Aug-24-15  FreshClipsTV: I have done a video about the game with live comments and analysis here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ7...

Aug-24-15  kamagong24: this shows that even if youre the world champion you cant always get away with an awful 6.Bd3 move
Aug-24-15
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  scutigera: <Jim Bartle><BOSTER>: And Lasker would make eleven: Lasker vs Lilienthal, 1936. However, Lilienthal has no wins vs. Alekhine, at least in the chessgames.com database, so we're back to ten, unless you count Keres, which I like to do: Lilienthal vs Keres, 1941. Whether ten or eleven, it's more crowned scalps than I've amassed...
Aug-25-15
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  FSR: Always consult Wikipedia first:

<Paul Keres and Viktor Korchnoi are the only chess players to have defeated nine undisputed world champions. They have six in common: both defeated Mikhail Botvinnik, Vasily Smyslov, Mikhail Tal, Tigran Petrosian, Boris Spassky and Bobby Fischer. Keres also beat José Raúl Capablanca, Alexander Alekhine, and Max Euwe, while Korchnoi also beat Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov, and Magnus Carlsen. In addition, Korchnoi defeated FIDE world champions Ruslan Ponomariov and Veselin Topalov.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...

Aug-25-15  RookFile: What a amazingly long and successful career Korchnoi has had.
Aug-25-15
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  FSR: Incidentally, my Game Collection: Lilienthal! includes, inter alia, all of Lilienthal's wins against world champions that are in the database. As I note in the introduction to it, Lilienthal supposedly also beat Alekhine "in a serious game," but that game seems to have been lost to posterity.
Aug-25-15
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  AylerKupp: <Nonnus> I can speak from recent personal experience that responding to a post without reading it and understanding it properly tesults in a much more spirited follow-up discussion.
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