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| Apr-25-15 | | devere: <Jimfromprovidence: Saw 24 f5 with the threat of 25 Qh4, but it looks like black has two good responses with 24...g5 or 24...Be2, below.> On 24.f5!! g5 25.Rxh7! Kxh7 26.Qg4 is decisive, as is 25.Qg4. On 24.f5!! Be2 25.fxg6 fxg6 26.Qe4! Nf8 27.Qh4 Bh5 28.c3 the game still has to be won, but White has a strong advantage. |
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| Apr-25-15 | | agb2002: White has a pawn for a bishop.
White can try to exploit the weakened black castle with 24.Qc3, intending 25.Qh3: A) 24... Rac8 25.Qh3 (25.Nxc8 Qa1#)
A.1) 25... Qa1+ 26.Kd2
A.1.a) 26... Qxb2 27.Qxh7+ Kf8 28.Qxf7#.
A.1.b) 26... Rxd6+ 27.exd6 Qxb2 28.Qxh7+ Kf8 29.Qh8#. A.2) 25... Rc7 26.Qxh7+ Kf8 27.Qh8+ Ke7 28.Qf6+
A.2.a) 28... Kf8 29.Rh8#.
A.2.b) 28... Ke8 29.Rh8+ Kd7 30.Qxd8+ Kc6 31.Qe8+ Rd7 (31... Kc5 32.b4#) 32.Qa8+ Bb7 (32... Kc5 33.b4#; 32... Kc7 33.Q(R)c8+ Bxc8 34.R(Q)xc8#; 32... Rb7 33.Rc8+ Kd7 34.Nf5+ wins the queen) 33.Rc8+ Rc7 34.Qxb7+ Kc5 35.Q(R)xc7# or 35.b4#. A.2.c) 28... Kd7 29.Ne4+ Kc6 (29... Ke8 30.Rh8#) 30.Qxd8 + - [R+N+P vs B] (30... Qa1+ 31.Kd2 Rd7+ 32.Qxd7+ Kxd7 33.Rxa1, etc.). B) 24... Qa1+ 25.Kd2
B.1) 25... Rxd6+ 26.exd6 Qa2 27.Rxh7 Kxh7 28.Qh3+ Kg7 29.Rh1 looks winning. For example, 29... Qd5+ 30.Kc1 Qxd6 31.Qh6+ Kg8 32.Qh8#. B.2) 25... Qa2 26.Qh3 Kh8 27.Qxh7 wins (27... Rd7 28.Qh8+ Ke7 29.Qxa8). C) 24... Rd7 25.Rxh7 (25.Qh3 f5 unclear) 25... Kxh7 26.Qh3+ Kg7 27.Rh1 C.1) 27... Kf8 28.Qh6+ Ke7 29.Qg5+ and mate in two.
C.2) 27... f5 28.Qh6+ Kg8 29.Qh8#. |
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| Apr-25-15 | | agb2002: I missed the defense 24... Nf6 which seems to lead to an equal game. My first idea was 24.f5 but thought that 24.Qc3 was less compromising and stronger and quicker. |
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| Apr-25-15 | | arun.pulak: what could be the refutations to simply bringing the white queen to the a 1st rank, building up pressure on the h file and mating....black has nothing worthwhile to do it appears...everything is blocked for black....rook, knight,queen....infact the queen appears like could be trapped...i am not calculating....simply commenting from a strategic perspective... |
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| Apr-25-15 | | newzild: How's this for an idea - 24. b3, intending Kd2 and Ra1, trapping the Black queen. Unfortunately, 24...Rac8 appears to be a good riposte. |
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| Apr-25-15 | | morfishine: <agb2002> Nice work on <24.Qc3>; Even after 24...Nf6, White continues the attack with 25.Rh8+ For example: 25...Kxh8 26.Nxf7+ Kg8 27.Nh6+ Kg7 28.exf6+ Kf8 29.Qb4+ Rd6
30.Qxd6+ Ke8 31.Qe7#
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| Apr-25-15 | | JohnBoy: On 24.f5 Be2 25.fg6 fg6 26.Qe4 either regains the piece w great initiative or corrals the black king. For example 26...Bh5 27.Rh5. |
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| Apr-25-15 | | agb2002: <morfishine: <agb2002> Nice work on <24.Qc3>; Even after 24...Nf6, White continues the attack with 25.Rh8+ For example: 25...Kxh8 26.Nxf7+ Kg8 27.Nh6+ Kg7 28.exf6+ Kf8 29.Qb4+ Rd6 30.Qxd6+ Ke8 31.Qe7#> Thanks a lot but I'm afraid that Black would play 27... Kh7 and White looks dead lost. The only option I can see is to insist on the original idea: 24.Qc3 Nf6 25.Qh3 Nh5 26.g4 and hope Black cannot create serious counter chances. |
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| Apr-25-15 | | kevin86: The unusual pawn sac wins it! |
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| Apr-25-15 | | BOSTER: Instead of attractive 20...Qa2 black'd play Qc4 attacking white queen and knight e4.
After 21.Qe1 Qe2 22.Qb4 (or Qq3) Rac8 black'd win such game, and no
<intuition must be more than just a thought>. |
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Apr-25-15
 | | Jimfromprovidence: <JohnTal> After 24.f5 Be2 25.fxg6 fxg6 26.Qe4 Nf8 27.Qh4 Bh5 28 g4 does not work as black has 28...Qa1+ 29 Kd2 Qxb2.
click for larger viewWhite cannot follow with 30 gxh5 because of 30...Qxe5, so black remains up a piece. But 28 c3!, below, found by <devere> (with the threat of 29 g4) prevents the above scenario 28...Qa1+ 29 Kd2 Qxb2 from occurring. 
click for larger viewNow black’s best defense may be 28…Qa1+ 29 Kc2 Qxd1 30 Rxd1 Bxd1 31 Kxd1. 
click for larger viewHere, white is up a queen and pawn for two rooks with some work to do. |
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| Apr-25-15 | | morfishine: <agb2002> Yes, you are right. Still though, enlightening to see another strong option <24.Qc3> getting the Queen to the h-file After 24.Qc3 Nf6 25.Qh3 Nh5 26.g4 both sides must be perfectly accurate; for example 26...Be2 27.Rdg1! Kf8 28.gxh5 Bxh5 29.Qg2
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White threatens 30.Rxh5 & now 29...Rxd6 is no longer possible due to 30.Qxa8+ Again, thanks for bringing to light 24.Qc3
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| Apr-25-15 | | AvidChessMan: My intuition also liked 24. f5! I liked how it allowed the queen access to the h4 square, with the potential of Qh7+. White invested a lot of moves in opening the h file - this also helped me like f5. |
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Apr-25-15
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| Apr-25-15 | | crystalpauper: My goodness, I am sure there is some worthwhile analysis in there, but who has the time? |
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| Apr-25-15 | | ajile: 21..Be2 (instead of 21..Nf8) and Black is almost winning.
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 3 32-bit : 19 ply
1.  (-1.49): 20...Qa2 21.Nd6 Be2 22.Rde1 Rac8 23.h6 Bd3 24.Kd2 Bg6 25.Nxc8 Rxc8 26.Ke3 Rxc2 27.Re2 Rxe2+ 28.Kxe2 Qd5 29.Kf2 Nc5 30.Kg1 Qd1+ 31.Kh2 Qe2 32.Qe1 Qxb2 33.hxg7 Kxg7 34.Qh4 Qd2 35.Rf1 Bf5 2. ³ (-0.48): 20...Qc4 21.Nd6 Qxb4 22.axb4 Nf8 23.b5 Bc8 24.Rh3 Rd7 25.g4 Bb7 26.g5 Rad8 27.Ra3 Bd5 28.Rg1 Rc7 29.Rgg3 Kh8 30.Rgc3 Rcd7 31.Ra6 Kh7 |
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| Apr-25-15 | | M.Hassan: I did not have time to look at this puzzle but towards end of Saturday had a look at the game and to be quite honest, I would not have ever thought of 24.f5!!! |
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| Apr-26-15 | | patzer2: In response to White's Kingside attack with 22. h6, Black's decisive mistake may have been the natural defensive move <22...g6?>.
Instead, Deep Fritz 14 indicates black can hold with 22... Rac8! 23. hxg7 Kxg7 24. Rh3 Rc5 25. Qb3 Qxb3 26.
Rxb3  (-0.35 @ 21 depth).
Earlier, Black missed a near win with 21...Be2!, as pointed out above by <ajile>. Deep Fritz 14's analysis gives 21...Be2 22.Rde1 Rac8 23.Rh3 Bg4 24.Qb3 Qxb3 25.Rxb3 Rc7 26.Kb1 Bxh5 27.Rh3 Bg4 28.Rh4 Bf5 29.Reh1 Bxc2+ 30.Ka2 Kf8 31.Rh8+ Ke7 32.Rxd8 Kxd8 33.Rh8+ Ke7  (-1.47 @ 23 depth). In yesterday's Satuday puzzle position (24. ?), the clearance move <24. f5 !!> is clearly strongest. After <24...Rxd6? 25. exd6  >, Black is busted. Instead the second player can put up more resistance with 24...Be2 when play might continue 25.fxg6 fxg6 26.Qe4 Nf8 27.Qh4 Bh5 28.c3 Qa1+ 29.Kc2 Bxd1+ 30.Rxd1 Qxd1+ 31.Kxd1 Rd7 32.Kc2 Rh7 33.Qg3 a6 34.Ne4 Rh1 35.Qf2 Rh2 36.Nf6+ Kg7 (-1.80 @ 21 depth, Deep Fritz 14). |
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| Apr-12-25 | | mel gibson: I considered the chosen ply but couldn't see how it would lead to anything. Stockfish 17 says:
23. h7+
(23. h7+ (1.h7+ Nxh7 2.f5 Be2 3.fxg6 fxg6 4.Qe4 Nf8 5.Qh4 Qa1+ 6.Kd2 Qxd1+ 7.Rxd1 Bxd1 8.Kxd1 Rd7 9.Kc1 Rh7
10.Qf6 b5 11.Qf3 Rb8 12.b4 Rc7 13.Kb2 Rb6 14.Ne8 Rc8 ) +3.72/48 605) score for White +3.72 depth 48. |
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| Apr-12-25 | | Walter Glattke: 23.b3 Be2 24.Re1 Bh5 25.Kd2 Rac8 26.Rc1 Kh7 27.Rh3 Rc6 28.Rd3 R8xd6 29.exd6 Nd7 30.Qd4 e5 31.Qd5 Rc5 32.Qf7+ Kxh6 33.Qg8 Nf6 34.Qh8+ Nh7 35.d7 exf4 36.d8Q Qxa3 40.Qdg8 Qa5+ 41.c3 Rc7 42 .Qf8+ Kg5 43.Qd8+ ++- |
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| Apr-12-25 | | Walter Glattke: 23.b3 Rac8 24.Qe4 Qxa3+ 25.Kb1 Nh7 26.g4 Rc3 27.Rh2 ++- |
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| Apr-12-25 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: The king's line is: 23. h7+ Nxh7 24. Rxh7 Kxh7 25. f5 gxf5 26. Qh4+ Kg8 27. Rh1 Kf8 28. Qf6 Qa1+ 29. Kd2 Qxh1 30. Qxf7#. Other way is 23. h7+ Nxh7 24. Rxh7 Kxh7 25. f5 exf5 26. Qh4+ Kg8 27. Rh1 Kf8 28. Qf6 Rxd6 29. Rh8#. Refuzing: 223. h7+ Kh8 24. Nxf7+ Kg7 25. h8=Q+ Kxf7 26. Qf6+ Ke8 27. Qbxf8#. Maybe, B can give some checks, but the king didn't think this could avoid the lines presented. |
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| Apr-12-25 | | vajeer: Really difficult.
I also considered 24...g5 as a possible defence. And played out the below line
24...g5 25. Rxh7 Kxh7 26. Qg4 Rxd6 27. exd6 Qa1+ 28. Kd2 Qxb2 29. Rh1+ Kg8 30. Rh5 Kf8 31. Rxg5 Qh8 32. fxe6 Qh6 33. e7+ Ke8 34. Qf4 Kd7 35. e8=Q+ Rxe8 36. Qxf7+ Kxd6 37. Qf4+ Kc6 38. Rc5+ Kxc5 39. Qxh6
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Score by engine is +3.77 |
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