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| Sep-06-14 | | zanzibar: That is, if he plays 25...Bd1 |
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| Sep-06-14 | | zanzibar: (Didn't <whiteshark> say something about c2?) |
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Sep-06-14
 | | Penguincw: < zanzibar: We could end 21...Bf6 22.Bh3 Bf3 23.Bg2 Bg4 etc > Luckily there's still one game left: Nakamura-MVL
27...Rc6
click for larger viewEngine says equal, but with knight pair vs. bishop pair, anything could happen. |
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Sep-06-14
 | | PawnSac: < plang: I don't understand Whites 20th and 21st moves - what is the rook doing on b5? > among other things, restraining the Q side pawns. It also prevents Bc5 trying to exchange off a set of B's. But in the long run.. I am still watching to see if Fab gets his rooks active before Levon |
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| Sep-06-14 | | kellmano: Ah man, when you have an interview like this, extolling the virtues of someone like Fischer, it's hard not to want a question along the lines of - 'What about his anti-Semitism?' |
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| Sep-06-14 | | morfishine: <kellmano> Drop it |
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Sep-06-14
| | PawnSac: kellmano:
yea i know this is probably not the appropriate forum to discuss that at any length, but i agree, thats a really weird aspect of Fischer, since he was half Jewish himself. I guess he hated his father. who knows. |
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Sep-06-14
| | PawnSac: but the fact remains he was one of the greatest chess players in history, and thats what we focus on. |
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Sep-06-14
 | | plang: <PawnSac: < plang: I don't understand Whites 20th and 21st moves - what is the rook doing on b5? > among other things, restraining the Q side pawns. It also prevents Bc5 trying to exchange off a set of B's. But in the long run.. I am still watching to see if Fab gets his rooks active before Levon> yes, but Black's rooks are much better coordinated |
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Sep-06-14
| | PawnSac: yes i agree, but i'm not seeing enough to give any more than a slight advantage. it seems like a draw. which dont get me wrong, leaves fab at 9/10 which is a superb and historic result... but as many others, i was hoping for 1 more excellent victory |
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| Sep-06-14 | | Everett: <premium
membermorfishine: <kellmano> Drop it>Yes, let's stop talking about Fischer. I would applaud this move for a moment before moving on to current matters and forgetting about him entirely. |
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| Sep-06-14 | | Refused: <PawnSac: yes i agree, but i'm not seeing enough to give any more than a slight advantage. it seems like a draw. which dont get me wrong, leaves fab at 9/10 which is a superb and historic result... but as many others, i was hoping for 1 more excellent victory> 8.5/10
Draws against: Carlsen, Nakamura and Aronian. If he wins it wouldbe 9/10 |
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Sep-06-14
| | Penguincw: I just realized that Caruana hasn't conceded any points with black. :| Anyway, I got to go, but hoping that this battle will have some excitement before it ends. |
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| Sep-06-14 | | Pedro Fernandez: Still I can't understand why Fabi exchanged its fabulous LSB
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Why not 22...Bf3 23.Bg2 Bd1 with better chances?
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Sep-06-14
 | | tpstar: Well played by both sides - congratulations Caruana! |
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| Sep-06-14 | | Refused: Nakamura might be actually better in a game for once in this tournament xd |
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| Sep-06-14 | | Memethecat: Well done Fab!! Shame he missed last nights winning Rxg6, que sera. |
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Sep-06-14
| | PawnSac: yea but the general consensus seems to be a drawish outcome. if it does end as 1/2 this will be the first tourney i can remember where Hikaru has not won a single game. |
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| Sep-06-14 | | whiteshark: Pity they didn't played on. |
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| Sep-06-14 | | zanzibar: Both sides really just played for a nice decent draw here - going to move 30 as necessary. And why not, anything else would be pushing it. |
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| Sep-06-14 | | 1d410: Good job Caruana. No losses this tournament! |
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| Sep-06-14 | | Pedro Fernandez: <<whiteshark>: Pity they didn't played on.> Yeah <Sharky>, Fabi was content with a draw. |
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Sep-06-14
 | | HeMateMe: black can make the outside passed pawn. They should have played a few more moves. You never know... |
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| Sep-07-14 | | zanzibar: For an idea of play from the final position I did a <Stockfish DD 64 SSE4.2> run with 30s/move (it should be 1min/move at a minimum, but I didn't have time). It looks like Black has the less pleasant side of the board, and it's White who gets the passers: 30...Rdc8 31.Kf3 Rc3 32.Rb3 Rc2 33.Ra3 R8c7 34.Ra4 Rd2 35.Ke4 f6 36.Kf5 fxe5 37.fxe5 Rd5 38.Re2 Rd3 39.g4 a5 40.e6 Kd6 41.Kg6 Re7 42.Rf4 Rd5 43.Kh7 b5 44.Rf8 Re5 45.Rxe5 Kxe5 46.Rf5+ Ke4 47.Rxb5 Kf4 48.Rxa5 Rxe6 
click for larger view49.Kxg7 Kxg4 50.a4 Rc6 51.Rb5 Ra6 52.a5 Kf3 53.Rf5+ Kg3 54.Kf7 Kg4 55.Rb5 Kf3 56.Kg7 Kf4 57.Rd5 Rc6 58.Rb5 Ra6 59.Rc5 Rd6 60.Rb5 = ( (Here's a variation where I forced the White king to the Q-side) 60.Kf7 Ra6 61.Ke7 Ke3 62.Kd7 Kd4 63.Rb5 Kc4 64.Rf5 Kc3 65.Kc7 Kb4 66.Kd7 Kc4 67.Ke7 Kd4 68.Rf6 Rxa5 69.Rxh6 = ) For chuckles I looked at the subvariation final position with the Black king moved away from the action one square (from d4 to d3): 
click for larger viewShredder online tables give this a White win in 26.
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| Sep-08-14 | | zanzibar: Here is another study of the game, going back to Black's 22th move. The idea is to explore Stockfish's idea of best play where the bishop's are kept on the board with 22...Bd1. Even though Black gets the slightly more active bishops, and generally better game (especially compared to last study), but White's K-side majority is more dynamic. In this play Black does get a more active Q-side than in the previous study, but White still manages to get a central passer and tie up Black's pieces. Maybe some else might be interested, so I'll publish it - Stockfish as above, but 1min/move this time (so > 25-28 ply or more every move at least): 22...Bd1 23.Rd5 Bc2 24.Bg2 Rbe8
click for larger view25.e5 f6 26.Ke2 fxe5 27.Rxe5 Rxe5 28.fxe5 Rd8 29.Rh4 Bb2 30.e6 Bf6 31.Rf4 Rd6 32.Kf2 Bb1 33.Ra4 a5 34.Bb7 Bf5 35.Bf4 Rd8 36.Bc7 Rd2+ 37.Ke1 Rb2 38.Bd5 Kh8 39.Kf1 Be7 40.g4 Bd3+ 41.Kg1 Bc5+ 42.Kh1 Bb4 
click for larger view43.Bxb6 Bb5 44.Rxa5 Bxa5 45.Bxa5 Be8 46.Bc7 Rd2 47.Be4 Rxa2 48.Bf5 Re2 49.Bd6 Bc6+ 50.Kg1 Be4 51.Kf1 Bxf5 52.gxf5 Re4 53.Kg2 Kg8 54.Kh3 Re1 55.Kg4 Re4+ 56.Kg3 Re1 57.Be7 Re4 58.Kf3 Ra4 59.Kg3 Rc4 60.Bd6 Rc1 61.Kf4 Rg1 62.Ke5 Rh1 63.Kd5 Rxh5 64.Kc6 Rh3 65.Kd7 Re3 66.Ke7 h5 67.f6 gxf6 68.Kxf6 Rf3+ 69.Kg6 Rd3 70.Bb4 Re3 71.Kf6 Rf3+ 72.Kg6 Rf4 73.e7 Re4 74.Kf6 h4 75.Bd6 h3 76.Bh2 Re1 77.Bd6 h2 78.Bxh2 Rf1+ = |
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