Sophie Milliet vs Borya Ider (2013)

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Sophie Milliet vs Borya Ider
French Team Championship (2013), Haguenau FRA, rd 4, Jun-02
French Defense: Winawer. Advance Variation (C18) · 0-1

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Mar-13-16		Phony Benoni: <48...?> click for larger view There is surely something wrong with the score, either here or earlier: <48...Ra3? 49.Bd2?? Rd3??> could hardly have been played even in time pressure.

Mar-13-16		luftforlife: This game was played on June 2, 2013, in the fourth round of the French Top 12 Club Championship at Haguenau, France. Score checks out here: http://chessonmobile.com/EventGames... Score also checks out here: http://chess-db.com/public/game.jsp...

Mar-13-16		luftforlife: Score also checks out here: http://www.argedrez.com.ar/pgnviewe...

Mar-13-16		luftforlife: Exceedingly strange, needless to say.

Mar-14-16		Phony Benoni: Once scores get into a database they tend to be copied uncritically. Who has time to check all this stuff? I wouldn't have noticed either if the game hand't shown up int he PUn Voting Booth.

Mar-14-16		luftforlife: <Phony Benoni>: You're definitely right that incorrect scores are often uncritically copied and perpetuated - especially online. Now, I can't yet prove exactly how this scorecard might be wrong, but I surely do concur it's well-nigh inconceivable that it could be correct. The duplication of what appears to be a flagrantly mistaken scorecard isn't so strange, but the incredible moves you point out certainly are.

Mar-14-16		zanzibar: <Phony> you're giving Black's 45...Nxd4? a free pass? I would say the entire score after 45.Ra1 is suspect. What to do? Short answer... nothing. I checked TWIC, http://theweekinchess.com/chessnews... and both CB, and NIC (online versions). Everybody has the same nonsense. Which means we should too. (Unless we were to get input from the players themselves...) Now, if <CG> wanted to be best-in-class, we would have a flag in the PGN for tagging games with suspect movelists, and inject a comment into the movelist at the appropriate point. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Here's a picture of Milliet from the tournament: http://chess-news.ru/sites/default/... (Bless those "crazy" Russians) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Mar-14-16		Phony Benoni: <zanzibar> If I didn't mention <45...Nxd4>, it's because the move is somewhat conceivable, and actually appears to have been played, since White replies by taking the knight. It's quite different from the nonsense that follows, with both sides leaving pieces en prise for several moves in a row. But that seems to be a mistaken thought. Now that I think about this a bit, it clearly looks like one of those cases where some earlier score error makes later moves seem ridiculous. If we could just pinpoint that error, everything would make sense. The game would indeed be an ideal candidate for some sort of system that would flag the score as suspect and make I available for future generations to investigate. Perhaps even the oft promoised "sandbox".

Mar-14-16		zanzibar: <Phony> yes, I had the same thought. But I think what we have is a time scramble mishmash where an entire series of moves were missed. The players probably just "created" some set of moves to match up the final position. So, my opinion is that if they can't be bothered to make a sensible sequence of moves, neither should we. After all, we don't have license to alter too much in the score beyond obvious typos, or clear ambiguity mixups, imo.

Mar-14-16		Phony Benoni: <zanzibar> You could well be right about missing moves. Three is a time scramble feel to the ending, and I don't see any changes that will turn what we have now into something making sense.

Jan-31-17		whiteshark: Beware the Ider of March!

Apr-05-18		OhioChessFan: I don't mean to Borya.

Apr-05-18		OhioChessFan: I'm trying to make sense of this game, but it's tough. Is it possible the time control was at 50 moves for this tournament? That might explain the poor play in the early 40's portion of the game. One specific point I think might be a scorecard error is that 48...Rc3, while not good, makes a lot more sense than the game.

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