| Jan-09-17 | | ColeTrane: Shouldnava done that..... |
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| Jan-13-17 | | razetime: The losing move was Bf5. And then the rampage began. |
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| Jan-13-17 | | goodevans: I guess <17...Qxd5> is answered with <18.Rxg7+ Kxg7 19.Nf5+>. Right? <razetime: The losing move was Bf5.> I can't see an alternative to <18...Bf5> that saves black so I think he was already lost by then. |
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| Jan-13-17 | | Nerwal: 18... ♘xc3 19. ♘xe5 ♗xe5 20. bxc3 ♗e6 may give some drawing chances, at least from the practical point of view. Black has only two bishops for a queen but his position is extremely solid and White has many weak pawns. Even if all the rooks get traded, an endgame ♕ vs 2 ♗ with pawns on one wing may well be drawn. |
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| Jan-13-17 | | kdogphs: Windmill attack for the win! My favorite of all tactics. |
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| Jan-13-17 | | goodevans: <Nerwal: 18... ♘xc3 19. ♘xe5 ♗xe5 20. bxc3 ♗e6 may give some drawing chances...> In a club game maybe, but these are GMs. Shanava knew that would be hopeless against a super-GM like Shaky. |
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| Jan-13-17 | | Nerwal: <In a club game maybe, but these are GMs. Shanava knew that would be hopeless against a super-GM like Shaky.> I am not sure it's a matter of level of play. The line he chose loses quickly in linear fashion so anything is better than this at about any level. Also the material 2♖ + 2♗ can be surprisingly ressourceful against superior forces, there are plenty of examples in chess history like Adams vs Ivanchuk, 1998 or Boleslavsky vs Botvinnik, 1943. Even the pure endgame ♕ vs 2♗ is very difficult; it took Polugaevsky 25 hours of home analysis to win in Polugaevsky vs Geller, 1968. |
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| Jan-13-17 | | goodevans: <Nerwal: "I am not sure it's a matter of level of play"> Of course it is. I'm certainly much better at screwing up won positions than Shaky! In first two examples you gave the material imbalance is never as great as at the end of 18... ♘xc3 19. ♘xe5 ♗xe5 20. bxc3 so I don't think these add weight to your argument. <"The line he chose loses quickly in linear fashion so anything is better..."> Not <anything>, but I would agree that your line is better. But that's not my point: I never said that <18...Bf5> was the best move, just that it <wasn't the losing move> because the position is already lost. Your line may lose more slowly but I'm convinced it still loses with best play. |
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| Jan-13-17 | | ChessHigherCat: 17. Qd3 was extremely tricky, considering that black can take the B on d5 with either the Q or N. If 17...QxB, 18 Rxg7 Kh8 19. Qh7#. Or if 17...QxB, 18 Rxg7 Kxg7, 19. Nf5++ Kg6 20. Nd7++ at least wins back the Q and there's probably a mating net I'm missing. But what's white's plan if 17..NxB?. 18. Rh7 looks messy here because now white can play QxR. |
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| Jan-13-17 | | ChessHigherCat: <good evans> Sorry, I just saw you already asked about Qxd5 but since the question still hasn't been answered we can hope for more analysis (especially what happens on 17. Nxd5) |
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| Jan-13-17 | | goodevans: <ChessHigherCat> No problem.
As for what happens on <17... Nxd5> I'm fairly confident it's <18.Nf3>. ;o) |
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| Jan-13-17 | | ChessHigherCat: <goodevans> I think 18. Rxg7 looks a lot more forcing (see my analysis two messages above). Do you see anything wrong with it? |
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| Jan-13-17 | | goodevans: <ChessHigherCat> 18.Rxg7 is, I think, the right response to 17...Qxd5 as per your analysis in your first post. But you also observed that if 17...Nxd5 then it doesn't work the same. The reason I said I'm confident that white's plan for <17...Nxd5> was <18.Nf3> is that that's what was actually played. ;o) |
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| Jan-13-17 | | ChessHigherCat: <goodevans> Duhh, I get it:-) I got so hung up analyzing that move that I didn't even think to look ahead at what was actually played |
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| Jan-13-17 | | morfishine: Where's <thegoodanarchist> when U knead'm? ***** |
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| Jan-13-17 | | morfishine: The Ole "Wind Mill": We are "Breaking Wind" while the defense is "Milling Around" Thats a Gas
LOL
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