Vladimir Kramnik vs Vasyl Ivanchuk (2013)

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Vladimir Kramnik vs Vasyl Ivanchuk
World Championship Candidates (2013), London ENG, rd 6, Mar-21
Indian Game: Anti-Nimzo-Indian (E10) · 1/2-1/2

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Mar-21-13		AylerKupp: <DcGentle> Yes, I myself would have gambled, given Chucky's time disadvantage. But I guess Kramnik felt differently.

Mar-21-13		Ulhumbrus: <chessgames.com: It would be fun to watch Grischuk-Gelfand next, seeing that Boris has a clearly better position, but I think we should switch to Aronian's game as it's the most critical regarding the tournament results. All agree?> I don't claim to speak for all, but I vote yes.

Mar-21-13		boz: I'm happy to see how committed cg.com is to this tournament.

Mar-21-13		AylerKupp: <chessgames.com> FWIW, fine with me.

Mar-21-13		beenthere240: AK If it's so easy to go to the official website and see the Houdini evals, when WHY POST THEM HERE???? (Sorry, my cap lock stuck for a moment.)

Mar-21-13		lost in space: yups, agreed

Mar-21-13		kurodo77: Chucky is fantastic..... Giving spectacle and interesting games in every round..... Rules Chucky

Mar-21-13		Eyal: Kramnik (to Trent): "Unfortunately, while in previous games Vassily had 5 seconds for the last 15 moves, here he had a whole minute".

Mar-21-13		Ulhumbrus: 9...dxc4 increases White's advantage in space. An alternative is 9...Re8 with ...Nf8 to follow.

Mar-21-13		Hesam7: <Eyal: Kramnik (to Trent): "Unfortunately, while in previous games Vassily had 5 seconds for the last 15 moves, here he had a whole minute".> :)) Ivanchuk would become World Champion if we had kept the 2.5 hours for the first 40 moves time control that was in place until the 1990s.

Mar-21-13		Eyal: <Ivanchuk would become World Champion if we had kept the 2.5 hours for the first 40 moves time control that was in place until the 1990s.> I know that's being said (half-)jokingly, but in all seriousness I'm pretty sure he would just think more and get exactly into the same sort of time trouble. What time-trouble addicts really need are better time-management skills, not more time...

Mar-21-13		AylerKupp: <beenthere240> I was just trying to give out what I thought was worthwhile information since many people didn't seem to know about the Houdini lines and evals being available live at the official site. Now that enough seem to know about it I will stop doing so.

Mar-21-13		AylerKupp: <Eyal> Sorry about that and thanks for pointing it out. I had too many pages open and since I'm so easily confused I posted the analysis to the wrong page. I deleted my post in this page and will repost it in the current page.

Mar-21-13		AylerKupp: Aaaarg! I thought I had saved it but I hadn't. Should have checked that before I deleted it. I'll try to recreate it since I thought it was informative. Hopefully you thought so also. It just hasn't been a good day. :-(

Mar-21-13		Eyal: <AylerKupp> No worries... FWIW I went myself over that line (with some additional sidelines) and I agree with you (and Willem Wallekers) - Kramnik did miss a forced win there against Aronian.

Mar-21-13		KnightPusher: Kramnik is funny and a class act. So is Vassily (my favorite player ever), despite his nose-picking fetish.

Mar-22-13		RookFile: I like Kramnik. He was a worthy world champion and is competing with a respectable result in this event. Maybe he'll win a couple of games in a row at some point, and things will get really interesting.

Mar-22-13		Just Another Master: HE PICKED..... on camera.....DISGUSTING......and Vlad shook his nose-picking hand ...puke

Mar-22-13		JENTA: I did not grasp the point of the move 11...Be7 I did not grasp the move 17...b5 either. Black's rook is still on a8, on the white bishop g2 diagonal. Moreover, in this way black removed Nd7 that defended the Knight on f6. Moreover, because of the undefended rook on a8, black's pawn a7 is dead. Why not 17...Rb8 preliminary? White's dark-squared bishop f4 has been eliminated already. I suspect that this is Ivanchuk's style. Or perhaps I do not understand chess. Perhpas I have wrong intuition? After 21. Qd2 black could perhaps reply 21...Qe5 instead of 21...Kg7 21...Kg7 22. Bc6 forces a draw. After 22. Ra5 perhaps 22...c5 23. Ba8 Ra8 and white's attack seems to be over. In a blitz, I would rather play 22. Be4 for a positional play for the exchange? It seems that today I am unable to calculate the variations, I must stop here.

Mar-22-13		Hesam7: <Eyal: I know that's being said (half-)jokingly, but in all seriousness I'm pretty sure he would just think more and get exactly into the same sort of time trouble. What time-trouble addicts really need are better time-management skills, not more time...> Actually I remember Anand talking about Grischuk and his time management, and he said something very interesting (at least I had not heard it before): that Grischuk gets into time trouble because it helps him focus. It is a perverse logic: the more tension the better the performance. People who grow up in high stress environments sometimes get the same thing, they are anxious in normal times but are remarkably calm and collected under severe stress.

Mar-22-13		JENTA: Now I can see: after 17...Rb8 white wins the pawn back by 18. Rc4. But perhaps then 18...b5 19. ab6 ab6 and then 20...c5 can equalize?

Mar-22-13		KnightPusher: Hesam--I've heard that too, but shouldn't there be some practices that would lead the mind to think it was in time trouble on move 5? After all, if they play better in time trouble they should basically win every game if they could only trick themselves thusly. I love Ivanchuk but even if he works better in (real) time-trouble, it's a serious flaw. Hell, Aronian explioted it even playing awful moves and still beat him on a flag loss.

Mar-22-13		RookFile: Well, it's not like the guy was siting there vegging out prior to the time control. He was doing a lot of thinking and calculating, so that when the positions came up, he knew what to do.

Mar-22-13		Hesam7: <Hesam7: If Kramnik was playing for a win then the extremely forcing 22 Bc6 was a mistake. He should have played something like 22 Ra5 instead.> Other non-forcing suggestions: 21 Ne4, 21 Ra5 and computer's suggestion of 22 Nd1!?.

Mar-22-13		Hesam7: And the final repetition, Ivanchuk could have played on with 31...Kf8 32 Qb8 Nc8 33 Qb4 a5 34 Ra5 Ke8 35 e4 (preventing ...Ne7) 35...Rg5 36 h4 Rf5 37 Rf5 Be4 38 Rf6 click for larger view Black does not have a real advantage (despite engine evaluations): 38...Bb7 (38...Bd5 39 Qc4 Bb7 transposes and 38...Qd2 39 Kh2 Qe1 40 Qb5 Kf8 [forced] 41 Qc5 White is definitely not worse) 39 Qc4 click for larger view The two pawns and Black's exposed King provide adequate compensation for the Bishop.

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