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| Mar-01-13 | | abuzic: <Kiril Simeonovski: . Note that White cannot take the pawn on d4 since Black Queen on d2 defends the pawn.> White can sham sac his B on e5; after
34.Qc4+ Kh8 35.Be5+ Ng7 <35...Rxe5 36.Qc8+ Re8 37.Qxe8#> 36.Bxg7+ Kh7 now white can take d4 with dis+: 37.Bxd4+ Re7 <37...Kh6 38.Be3+ g5 39.Qh4+ Kg6 40.Qxg5#> 38.Rxe7+ Kh6 39.Bg7+ or 39.Be3+, black cannot avoid mate Instead of taking d4 with 37.Bxd4+, white could also play 37.Bf8+ Re7 <37...Kh8 38.Rh7+ Kxh7 39.Qf7+ and # next> 38.Rxe7+ Kh8 39.Rh7+ Kxh7 40.Qf7+ and mate next. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | Kiril Simeonovski: <abuzic: <Kiril Simeonovski: . Note that White cannot take the pawn on d4 since Black Queen on d2 defends the pawn.>
White can sham sac his B on e5; after
34.Qc4+ Kh8 35.Be5+ Ng7 <35...Rxe5 36.Qc8+ Re8 37.Qxe8#> 36.Bxg7+ Kh7 now white can take d4 with dis+: 37.Bxd4+ Re7 <37...Kh6 38.Be3+ g5 39.Qh4+ Kg6 40.Qxg5#> 38.Rxe7+ Kh6 39.Bf7+ or 39...Be3+, black cannot avoid mateInstead of taking d4 with 37.Bxd4+, white could also play 37.Bf8+ Re7 <37...Kh8 38.Rh7+ Kxh7 39.Qf7+ and # next> 38.Rxe7+ Kh8 39.Rh7+ Kxh7 40.Qf7+ and mate next.> Sorry but I missed a move in my line. The correct one is 31... h3+ 32. Kg1 Qe1+ 33. Qf1 Nxg3 34. fxg3 and now 34... Qd2 instead of 34... Qe3+. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | David2009: T Nyback vs M Matthiesen, 2003 Black 31...? 31...h3+ looks good: (A) 32.Kf1? Qe1#; (B) 32.Kg1 Qe1+ 32.Qf1 d3 33.Bf4 Nd4 threatening Ne2+ etc; (C) 32.Kxh3 Ne3+ 33.Kh4 Ng2+ 34.Kb5 Qd5+ 35.Kxg6 Re6#. If Kh6 Qh5# and if Kf6 Re6#. Time to
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I missed the best continuation after 31...h3+ 32.Kg1 Qe1+ 32.Qf1 namely 32...Nxg3!. 32...d3 also wins but more slowly. Here's the puzzle position colours reversed
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(T Nyback vs M Matthiesen 2003 31...colours reversed) with a link to Crafty End Game Trainer:
http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t.... Enjoy exploring the variations! |
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| Mar-01-13 | | abuzic: <fokers13: Does a Qa2-c2-d2 plan win also? > Indeed, after 31...h3+ 32.Kg1 Qa2 wins, for example: 33.Qd1 Qc2 34.Qf1 d3 35.Rc7 Qd2 36.Rc1 Qe2 this is winning for black but has spoiled the momentum of the mating attack |
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| Mar-01-13 | | James D Flynn: White is 2 pawns up and has a R on the 7th rank, however, his back rank looks vulnerable and Black can force his K to retreat there by 31……h3+ 32.Kg1(if Kxh3 Ne3+ 33.Kh4 Ng2+ 34.Kg5 Qd5+ 35.Kxg6(if Kh6 Qh5#) Re6#) Qe1+ 36.Qf1 d3(not Qxb4 37.Qxh3 Re1+ 38.Kg2 Ng7 39.Ra8+ Kf2 40.Qd7+ Kf6 41.Ra6+ Kg5 42.Qg4+ Kh6 43.Qxg6#) 37.Rd7 d2(threat 38…..Qxf1+ 39.Kxf8 Re1#) 38.Rxd2 Qxd2 39.Qc4+ Kg7 40.Qc7+ Re7 41.Be5+ Kh7 and White runs out of checks , he is a R down and has answer to the back rank mate threats. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | abuzic: <Kiril Simeonovski>
That clarifies the idea. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | patzer2: <abuzic> Thanks for the analysis of 31...h3+ 32. Kxh3 Ne3+ 33. Kh4 Ng2+ 34. Kg5 (I got that far in my calculation, but missed the next move) 35. Qd5+!  .<SuperPatzer77> Thanks for the analysis 35. Kh1 Qxf3+! 36. Kg1 Re1! (mate soon to follow) which for me really emphasizes the deflection (removing the guard) theme here in this combination. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | abuzic: <patzer2>
I like to call this 31...h3+: a pawn on h3 is worth a ... Queen. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | snakebyt: I started off with 31....Ne3+ and played it out to blk win. I see now that h3+ is mo betta. |
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 | | chrisowen: I at hug chef in charm bed see a 31...h3+ whence king glib has two op 32.kxh3 crush in e3+ gab h4 etc and our poor king gets marched incessantly to his burial one fan the flaming ng2+, la doom 34.Kg5 and mated in five starting by d5+ your time better spent, stipulate again empty road FYI people stave off ar 32.Kg1 good brother equanimous having question of a faith still he includes again rew at 32...Que1+ this outer a quandary it green in king gauge mateme rallied around? |
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| | chrisowen: 12 hand radical zone it oh in ogre wind slice off the 33.qf1 action split in to camps can gal 33...Nxg3 looks to seal 1 part of the bargain, as tie down 34.hxg3 what finesse ng3 see cough in bishop a knight curry queen favour in e1s hold 34...h2+ and white looses hist ever f1s misee 35.kxh2, then Qxf1 stump up pet the goods, secured in back on market astride knight along the lines of tendered in saw and up to ganging bishop has the 33...Nxg3 a wain lead in red avid 34.fxg3 in ha rest my case on reticence indeed big over 34...Qe3+ now ledge in rooke1 the key to believe it is curt in ecumen again aid paper 35.qf2 or kh1 he
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| Mar-01-13 | | kevin86: mate follows:35 ♔h1 ♕xf3+!! 36 ♕xf3 ♖e1+ and mate next} or a brutal finish follows 35 ♕f2 ♕c1+ 36 ♕f1 ♖e1...a fate worse than death... |
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| Mar-01-13 | | BOSTER: <SoberKnight> <Someone please post the variations>. Puzzle can't begin with such rude move like 31...hxg3.
So 31...h3+
Here white has two possibilities to take the pawn or refute it.
If 32.Kxh3 Ne3+ 33.Kh4 Ng2+ 34.Kg5 Qd5+
all line is forced. Now if 35.Kg4 Qh5#
if 35.Kf6 Re6#
if 35.Kxg6 Re6#
if 35.Be5 Rxe5+ 36. Kg4 Rg5+ 37.Kh3 Nf4+ and then Nxd3 ,if after 36.Kh6 Rh5+ 37.Kxg6 Nf4+ 38.Kf6 Qe5#. If 32.Kg1 Qe1+ 33. Qf1 d3 now if 34.Bf4 Nd4(or Nh4) and white has no defense against Nxf3+. if 34.Rd7 d2 35.Rxd2 Qxd2 36. Qxh3 Re1+ 37.Kg2 Ne3#
if 34.Rd7 d2 35.f4 Qxf1+ 36. Kxf1 Re1#. |
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Mar-01-13
 | | FSR: 31...h3+ and now:
32.Kf1?? Qe1#;
32.Kxh3? Ne3+ 33.Kh4 Ng2+! 34.Kg5 Qd5+ 35.Kxg6 (35.Kh6 Qh5#; 35.Kg4 Qh5#; 35.Kf6 Re6#) Re6#; 32.Kg1 Qe1+ 33.Qf1 Nxg3! 34.fxg3 (34.hxg3 h2+ 35.Kg2 Qxf1+ 36.Kxf1 h1(Q)+; 34.Qxe1? Rxe1#) Qe3+ 35.Kh1 (35.Qf2 Qc1+ 36.Qf1 Re1) Qxf3+! 36.Kg1 (36.Qxf3 Re1+ 37.Qf1 Rxf1#) Re1! 37.Ra8+ (trying to lure the king to the f-file so W can play Qxf3 <check>; if 37.Qxe1 Qg2#) Kg7 38.Ra7+ Kh6! and White stands up. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | Bobby Fiske: I saw the h3 theme and some of the lines, but - as usual - I could not calculate all the lines till the end. Oh Well. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | Patriot: 31...h3+ is an obvious choice.
32.Kxh3 Ne3+ 33.Kh4 Ng2+ 34.Kg5 Qd5+  (35.Kxg6 Re6#; 35.Kh6 Qh5#; 35.Kf6 Re6#; 35.Kg4 Qh5#; 35.Be5 Qxe5+ 36.Kg4 Qf5+ ) 32.Kg1 Qe1+ 33.Qf1 d3 34.Rd7 d2 35.Rxd2 Qxd2 36.Qc4+ Kh7 37.Qc7+ Re7 ---
I didn't consider 33...Nxg3 since my line seemed winning. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | Patriot: I also made a mistake in the first variation. After 35.Be5 Qxe5+ 36.Kg4, I mistakenly thought trading queens is winning there with 36...Qf5+??. 36...Qh5+ 37.Kg3 Qg5+ 38.Kh3 Nf4#. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | SuperPatzer77: 
click for larger view<Boster:...if 35.Be5 Rxe5+ 36. Kg4 Rg5+ 37.Kh3 Nf4+ and then Nxd3...> <Boster> If 35. Be5, then 35...Rxe5+, 36. Kg4 Rg5+, 37. Kh3 Nf4+, 38. Kh4 Rh5+! (better than 38...Nxd3), 39. Kg4 (Kg3) Qg5# SuperPatzer77 |
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Mar-01-13
| | FSR: If 35.Be5, Rxe5+, 36.Kg4 Rg5+ 37.Kh3 Qe6+! 38.Qf5 Qxf5#. Or <Patriot>'s line 35...Qxe5+ 36.Kg4 Qh5+ 37.Kg3 Qg5+ 38.Kh3 Nf4#. |
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| Mar-01-13 | | SuperPatzer77: <FSR> Thanks for clarifying <Boster>'s line. I just helped him with my line. Take care, <FSR>
SuperPatzer77 |
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| Mar-01-13 | | Pedro Fernandez: Another variation: 31...h3+ 32.Kg1 Qe1+ 33.Qf1 Nxg3 34.fxg3 Qe3+ [35.Kh1 Qxf3+ 36.Kg1 Re1! 37.Ra8+ Kh7 38.Ra7+ Kh6 39.Rf7 Rxf1 mate. |
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| Mar-02-13 | | Pedro Fernandez: 
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| Mar-02-13 | | talsqueen: I got this one. although I followed 33. Qf1 with d4d3. Thats a longer route, but interesting too. |
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| Mar-03-13 | | newzild: <Abdel Irada: <I blame the third can of Guinness!> Guinness in a can is so watered-down, I'm surprised it would have any effect.> It's 6.8 per cent alcohol. I can only imagine the percentage before being "watered down". |
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| Aug-13-13 | | AlonzoMosely: I am Martin Matthiesen. Nice to see that people have had fun with the game. It felt as if Tomi resigned because he could tell by my excitement, that I was just waiting for 35. Kh1 Qxf3+! |
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