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| Jan-18-13 | | DWINS: Better after 26...Be6 is 27.Qxf6+ Qg7 (27...Kg8 28.Bxe6+ Qf7 29.Qxf7+ Kh8 30.Qxh7#) 28.Qxg7+ Kxg7 29.Rxe6 and White is a rook ahead. |
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| May-29-14 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: I haven't put it together yet, because it looks like 24 Qh5 should be the move, but I don't see how to proceed after 24 ... Be6 or maybe also 24 ... Re6. Otherwise 24 Qh5 wins quickly, e.g.:
24 Qh5 (Black twiddles thumbs)
25 Ng6+ Kg7
26 Rxh7#
or
24 Qh5 Bxh6
25 Qxe8+ Kg7
26 Qg8#
or
24 Qh5 Qxc4
25 Rxh7+ Kg8
26 Qg6#
or 24 Qh5 Qg7
25 Qxe8+ Qg8
and White hangs on easily to the extra rook. |
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| May-29-14 | | ChemMac: <cheapo by the dozen> After 24 ...Be6 25.Ng6+ Kg8 26 BXe6+ RXe6 27 NXf4 QXf4 28 RXh7 |
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| May-29-14 | | Madman99X: Is there some reason black never moves his bishop off of c8? This combination isn't possible if the rooks are connected. |
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| May-29-14 | | Caissas Clown: <Madman99X: Is there some reason black never moves his bishop off of c8?> Yes - black decided it should "romain" at home.
Pretty bad , I know ... but not as bad as me instantly thinking "Qh5!" - then deciding it was not a good move! |
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May-29-14
 | | agb2002: White has a bishop and a knight for the bishop pair and a pawn. Black threatens 24... Bxh6.
The rook on e8 is defenseless and also the pawn on h7 after Ng6+ Kg7. These details suggest 24.Qh5: A) 24... Bxh6 25.Qxe8+ Kg7 (25... Bf8 26.Qxf8#) 26.Qg8#. B) 24... Qxc4 25.Rxh7+ Kg8 26.Rh8+ Kg7 27.Qh7#.
C) 24... Re7 25.Rxh7+ Rxh7 26.Qe8+ Kg7 27.Qg8+ Kh6 28.Qg6#. D) 24... Be6 25.Ng6+ Kg8 (25... Kg7 26.Rxh7+ Kg8 27.Rxc7, etc.) 26.Bxe6+ Rxe6 27.Nxf4 wins a piece (27... Qxf4 28.Rxh7 and mate soon. E) 24... Rd8(f8) 25.Ng6+ Kg7 26.Rxh7#.
F) 24... Rg8 25.Ng6+ Rxg6 (25... Kg7 26.Rxh7#) 26.Qxg6 (threatens 27.Qg8# and 27.Qxf6+ Qg7 28.Qd8+ and mate next) F.1) 26... Qg7 27.Qe8+ Qg8 28.Qxg8#.
F.2) 26... Be6 27.Bxe6 Bxh6 28.Qxh6 + - [B vs P]. |
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| May-29-14 | | Ashperov1988: Qh5 even though I toyed with an early Ng6 albeit to no avail
1-Rg8 ng6 as per game yes 
2-Be6 Ng6 kg8 (kg7 rh7) Be6 Re6 Nf4 cause I think Qf4 to regain piece gets hit by Rh7 and just too many threats
3-Bd7 Rh7
4-Qc4 Rh7 Kg8 Qg6 mate coming on g7
the above is way more than enough to satisfy me on the solution. Its practical for the working people yey! |
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| May-29-14 | | dufferps: I don't understand black's resignation after 26.Qxg6. Black still has strong moves, starting with 26. ... Be6 to free up the a8 Rook and prevent Qg8#. This may cost him a bishop, but it allows for a strong finish, including trade of his black-squares bishop for the rook at h6. |
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| May-29-14 | | ninja warrior: If Be6 then Qf6 followed by a queen trade on g7 & the R takes Be6... now ur down a R. :) |
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| May-29-14 | | gofer: After <24 Qh5> black is struggling to find an adequate defence... <24 Qh5 ...>
24 ... Re7?/Qd7?/Qe7? 25 Ng6+ Kg7 26 Rxh7#
24 ... Qg7? 25 Ng6+ Qxg6 26 Qxg6 Bxh6 27 Qxe8+ mating 24 ... Bxh6? 25 Qxe8+ mating
24 ... Qg7? 25 Qxe8+ mating
24 ... Qxc4 25 Rxh7+ mating
24 ... Be6?
25 Ng6+ Kg8 (Kg7 Rxh7)
26 Nxf4 Qxf4
27 Rxh7 mating soon
24 ... Re6?
25 Ng6+ Kg8 (Kg7 Rxh7)
26 Nxf4 Qxf4
27 Rxh7 mating soon
<24 ... Rg8>
<25 Ng6+ Rxg6> (Kg7 Rxh7#) <26 Qxg6! Be6> (forced) <27 Qxf6+ Qg7>
<28 Qxg7+ Kxg7>
<29 Rxe6 >
click for larger viewWhite is a full rook up!
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Yep! |
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| May-29-14 | | goodevans: Got this almost instantly (just a few seconds looking first at the immediate 24.Ng6). I then spent several minutes thinking that's too easy for a Thursday; I must have missed something. I hadn't! |
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| May-29-14 | | morfishine: <24.Qh5> wins, <24.Rxf6> looks good enough to win & <24.Ng6+> comes up short ***** |
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May-29-14
 | | Once: Fritzie "thinks" that 24. Qh5 is clearly the best move, but also says that 24. Ng6+ and 24. Rxf6 give white an advantage. I've currently got 24. Qh5 at the full hog roast of +5.55, 24. Ng6+ is a prawn (and a half) in a puddle of jus with +1.69 and 24. Rxf6 is a salmon and cream cheese bagel at +0.71. |
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May-29-14
 | | perfidious: Ah lahke hawg roasts! |
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| May-29-14 | | patzer2: My Thursday try was 24. Ng6+!? Analysis move-by-move with Fritz 12 yields a very difficult + 2.54 advantage: 24. Ng6+!? Kg7 25. Nxf4 Qxf4 (25...Kxh6 26. Qh5+ Kg7 27. Qxe8 Qxc4 28. Nh5+ Kh6 29. Nxf6 Kg7 30. Nh5+ Kh6 31. Nf4 ) 26. Rh3 Be6 27. Qh5 Bxc4 28. Qxh7+ Kf8 29. Rg3 Rec8 30. Rg7 Qh4+ 31. Qxh4 Kxg7 32. Qg3+ Kf7 33. Rd1 Be6 34. Rd2 Rc5 35. Kg1 Rac8 36. c3 (position and further analysis below) (+2.54 @ 20/40 depth) 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 12 (20/43 depth on 2.1 GHZ dual core processor): 1. (2.54): 36...Rd5 37.Rxd5 Bxd5 38.Qd6 Be6 39.f3 exf3 40.gxf3 Re8 41.c4 Re7 42.b3 Rd7 43.Qf4 b6 44.Kf2 Rd8 45.Qh6 Ke7 46.Qg7+ Bf7 47.Ke3 a6 2. (2.60): 36...a6 37.Qf4 Kg6 38.Rd6 Re8 39.Rb6 Rb5 40.Rxb5 axb5 41.Qg3+ Kf7 42.Qc7+ Re7 43.Qc5 Bxa2 44.Qxf5 Bc4 45.g4 Kg7 46.g5 fxg5
3. (2.63): 36...b6 37.Qf4 Rh8 38.Rd4 Ra5 39.a4 Rc5 40.f3 exf3 41.Qxf3 Rc7 42.Kf2 Re7 43.Qd3 Rc7 44.c4 Re7 4. (2.63): 36...Rh8 37.Qf4 b6 38.Rd4 Ra5 39.a4 Rc5 40.f3 exf3 41.Qxf3 Rc7 42.Kf2 Re7 43.Qd3 Rc7
5. (2.70): 36...Rg8 37.Qh2 Kg6 38.Rd6 Re5 39.c4 b6 40.b3 Rg7 41.Qg3+ Kf7 42.Qe3 Kg6 43.Rd8 Rg8 44.Qg3+ Kh7 45.Qh3+ Kg7 46.Rd6 Kg6 47.Qg3+ Kh5 48.Qe3 6. (2.73): 36...Re5 37.Qh3 Kg6 38.Rd6 Rc6 39.Rd8 Rc8 40.Qg3+ Kh7 41.Rd6 Rc6 42.Rxc6 bxc6 43.b3 a5 44.Qe3 c5 45.g3 c4 46.Qb6 cxb3 |
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| May-29-14 | | sombreronegro: Wow, I did not think there was time for Qh5. I was looking at the immediate Ng6+ and then to take out the bishop and draw the black queen to f4. Looked to me like a rook sac on h7 and then picking up the loose rook on e8 pinning the bishop with the queen. I will see if anyone else tried the immediate Ng6+ ... |
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| May-29-14 | | kevin86: Qh5! obvious and surprising at the same time. White did have time for it! |
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| May-29-14 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: After I got some sleep, it occurred to me that
24 Qh5 Be6
25 Ng6+ Kg8
26 Bxe6+ Rxe6
27 Nxf4 Qxf4
28 Rxh7
leaves Black in an indefensible position. (The quiet Move 28 is what I failed to work through before.) In particular, 28 ... Re7, which is almost the only way to avert quick mate, allows 29 Rh8+ winning a rook. And 25 ... Kg7 fails to 26 Rxh7+ |
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| May-29-14 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: One of the defensive tries I missed is the one Black actually played. I'll still claim success because I covered so many other lines, and the actual attempt wasn't very effective. |
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| May-29-14 | | CC0112358: Black is a pawn up and has bishop for knight.
With the h7 pawn pinned and the g8 square checked I would quickly guess 24. Ng6+ Kg7 (forced)
25. Rxh7+ Kxh7 (Kxg6 loses quickly to Qh5)
27. Qh5.......... |
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| May-29-14 | | CC0112358: On second pass it looks like Qh5 is a much better approach |
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| May-29-14 | | TheBish: Movsesian vs R Edouard, 2013 White to play (24.?) "Medium"
After 24. Qh5!, the multiple threats of 25. Qxe8+ and 25. Ng6+ are too much for Black to deal with. Losing are 24...Qxc4 25. Rxh7+ Kg8 26. Qg6+ Kf8 27. Qg7# and 24...Bxh6 25. Qxe8+ Kg7 26. Qg8#. Black's best try is 24...Rg8 25. Ng6+ Rxg6 (or 25...Kg7 26. Rxh7#) 26. Qxg6, but now Black can't simultaneous prevent mate on g8 and h7 without material loss, e.g. 26...Qg7 27. Qe8+ Qg8 28. Qxg8# or 26...Be6 27. Qxf6+ Qg7 28. Qxg7+ Kxg7 29. Rxe6 and White is up a rook. |
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| May-29-14 | | BOSTER: < TheBish: Black's best try >
was not playing the temptation 19...e5,
but in this case < Once> didn't get his delicious
< full hog roast > from Liverpool company booked
only for him.nm |
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| May-29-14 | | Pedro Fernandez: Indeed this puzzle is Medium? I see the right move and all their variations in less than 2 min. |
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| May-30-14 | | patzer2: Here's a look validated with Fritz 12:
<24. Qh5!!> The mate-in three threat 24... Bxh6 25. Qxe8+ Kg7 26. Qg8# makes this in between move, setting up 25. Ng6+, possible. <24...Rg8> This makes it easy for White. If 24... Be6, then 25. Ng6+ Kg8 (25...Kg7 26. Rxh7+ Kg8 27. Rh8+ Kf7 28. Qh7#) 26. Bxe6+ Rxe6 27. Nxf4 Qxf4 28. Rxh7 (diagram below) 
click for larger viewand the threat 29. Qf7# forces mate.
If 24... Re6, then 25. Ng6+ Kg8 26. Nxf4 Qxf4 27. Rxh7 (diagram below) 
click for larger viewand the threat 28. Qf7# forces mate.
<25. Ng6+ Rxg6 26. Qxg6> Black resigns in lieu of 26...Be6 (diagram below) 
click for larger view27. Qxf6+ Qg7 28. Qxg7+ Kxg7 29. Rxe6 and the extra piece wins easily (+7.51 @ 20/43 depth) |
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