| Nov-27-12 | | Marmot PFL: Kamsky seldom plays the Dutch, and Gelfand seems unprepared. The plan of 17 f4 and 18 Nf2 looks over optimistic. |
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| Nov-27-12 | | Ulhumbrus: Instead of 8 d5, 8 Re1 suppoerts the advance e4.
10...Na6! serves to defend the backward d6 pawn by preparing in reply to Ba3 the move ...Nc5 obstructing the bishop's attack on the d6 pawn. Kamsky may have prepared this idea. White turns out to be unable to overpower the backward d6 pawn in time and Black gets in his advance ...d5 first. |
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Nov-27-12
 | | tamar: Boris may see a steady diet of the Leningrad Dutch now that he has lost twice within a year. The first was Gelfand vs Nakamura, 2012, where Nakamura allowed the exchange of the Be6 bishop. Kamsky withdrew the bishop to d7, but then tried the rare 13...h6, seen only once on this database S Siebrecht vs Nijboer, 2005 1/2 Gelfand tried an analogous strategy as Siebrecht, but without a black pawn on g5, f4 turned out to be a time-wasting move, leaving holes on e4 and e3. Kamsky played energetically, going a pawn down with 20...d5, but seeing White had no answer for the calm 23...Qc7, with multiple threats 24...b6, 24...Ne3, and 24...Bc3 in answer to 24 Rd2 in the game. |
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| Nov-27-12 | | wordfunph: the only thing left for white on the 33rd move is the will to live. |
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| Nov-27-12 | | The17thPawn: <wordfunph> - "Hope springs eternal in the human breast":) |
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| Nov-27-12 | | parmetd: tamar - twice?
Three times.
Gelfand vs S Williams, 2012 |
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Nov-27-12
| | tamar: <parmetd> 3.5 times if we count Gelfand vs Van Wely, 2012
as half a loss when he blundered away a win. |
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| Nov-27-12 | | superstoned: GM Kamsky. A true chess warrior! |
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| Nov-27-12 | | parmetd: Draws aren't a half loss so lets stick with 3. |
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| Nov-27-12 | | vinidivici: wow, its been for a while to see Dutch being played at the highest level. Nice game from Kamsky. |
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| Nov-27-12 | | Bartimaeus: 23. Bxc5 seems to be the losing move here. Qxc5 might have been better though positionally black is far more comfortable at this point. |
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| Nov-28-12 | | Hesam7: Very odd game from Gelfand. First I am surprised that he did not play 2 Bg5! next right after the opening his play is simply continuously bad. The first point where he slips seems to be 16 Ba3?!. It seems that here he started a long term plan of trying to play e4 in one move which basically lost him the game. Instead 16 Nf4 Bf7 17 Nd3 seems much better.
(a) 17...Nc5?! 18 Nc5 dc5 19 Qc2 does not look so good for Black. (b) The central break 17...d5 does not yield the desired results: 18 cd5 Nd5 19 Nd5 Bd5 20 Bg7 Kg7 21 Qb2 Kh7 22 Bd5 Rd5 23 Nf4. (c) 17...Ne4 is also unattractive: 18 Ne4 fe4 19 Bg7 Kg7 20 Qe3 Rfe8 21 Nb2 and Black's weak King and Q-side plus the vulnerability of the e4-pawn spell trouble. (d) Black's best is 17...g5, but after 18 Qc2
click for larger viewWhite enjoys a very small yet stable advantage due to his safer King. Note that the f7-Bishop can not move b/c of b4-b5 tearing the Black Q-side to pieces. |
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| Nov-28-12 | | Hesam7: 10 b3 is another strange choice by Gelfand, 10 Qd3 is played more (83 vs 79 games) and scores vastly better (71.1% vs 54.5%). And the Dutch should not have been a surprise to Gelfand, after all in their 2011 candidate matches Kamsky did play it against him ... |
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Nov-28-12
 | | Troller: 10.Qd3 is more tactical - possibly Gelfand feared some concrete prep and decided to go for the more positional b3. I think he also played this line previously and is probably better prepared here. Of course he ended up in a tactical mess anyway, but kudos to Kamsky for playing a beautiful game. |
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Nov-28-12
 | | perfidious: The line beginning with 10.b3 is not bad at all and the following game provides a cautionary tale if Black should try to grab the forlorn-looking rook in the corner: Krogius vs A Elizarov, 1967. That said, on the two occasions I reached the position before White's tenth move, my preference was 10.Qd3, both against John Curdo. In the 1982 Boylston Masters, my recollection is that my play in the early middlegame was not the most testing, but that he made a tactical error in a balanced position which led to a lost ending, eventually converted. The second go-round, in the decisive game of the 1984 Vermont championship, featured 10....Na6 11.Ng5 Qe7 12.Bf4 Rad8 13.Ng5 Qe7. Not sure whether White has much of an advantage hereabouts, but Curdo eventually won this. |
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Nov-28-12
 | | HeMateMe: How does it end? What if Gelfie plays 34. K-g2? |
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Nov-28-12
| | perfidious: <HMM> At any level, playing this out is a grim business: White is down a clear exchange with no counterchances. After your suggestion 34.Kg2, 34....a5 looks to be one idea. |
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| Nov-29-12 | | ajile: The move that Black hates the most is e4 by White. Against the Leningrad White usually wants to prepare and play e4 as soon as possible to make Black's light square weaknesses more apparent. |
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Nov-30-12
 | | Everett: < The17thPawn: <wordfunph> - "Hope springs eternal in the human breast":)> I thought it was "something springs eternal when seeing women's breasts." |
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| Jan-28-13 | | The17thPawn: <Everett> - Alexander Pope may have been thinking along your lines but couldn't hope to get such thoughts published during his day. |
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Mar-24-14
 | | GrahamClayton: 22...♗xd5 23. ♕xc5 ♕xc5 24. ♗xc5 ♖xe2, and the Black rook is very well positioned on the 2nd rank. |
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