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Alexandru Manea vs Tamir Nabaty
Golden Sands (2012), Golden Sands BUL, rd 2, Jun-05
Reti Opening: Reti Gambit (A09)  ·  0-1

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Mar-28-13  Conrad93: Hard to believe a 2300+ rated opponent played the opening this badly...
Mar-29-13  Abdel Irada: It seems to me that White began to go astray with 10. Nb3. Worth considering was some such continuation as 10. e4, c5 11. e5, Nd5 12. dxc5, Bxc5 13. Ne4, Be7 14. Rd1, Qc7 15. Bg5, with complications.

In the text, I wonder if he thought he could trap the queen. (Ironically, he *did* win the queen, but got a lost position out of the deal.) Otherwise, 14. Bb5? is awfully hard to explain except as a blunder.

Mar-29-13  Conrad93: 6. Qe2 was a dumb move. 6. d4 is far stronger, though getting rid of that b4 pawn looks very difficult.
Mar-29-13  Abdel Irada: While 6. Qe2 wasn't the move I'd have chosen, I hesitate to call it "dumb" because I see its purpose: to deter ...Ba6.

Up to 10. Nb3, White's play has been a bit passive, but not fatally so; it is that move that began the meander into futility. Getting rid of the b4 pawn is not an immediate imperative, and had White logically seized the center with 10. e4, I think his game was still playable.

Mar-30-13  Conrad93: It may not be immediate imperative, but it is certainly a thorn in white's position.

6. Qe2's purpose is pointless. Seizing the center was without a doubt better.

Mar-30-13  Abdel Irada: <Conrad93>: Please explain why the pawn on b4 is a "thorn" in White's position, and why you feel White stands worse after the series of moves I suggested in my first post.

Feel free to use an engine if you like. If you can show me something wrong with the idea, or offer proof that White is worse, I will be most interested to see it, because my own preliminary conclusion is that as of move 10, White retains his customary very slight edge, and best play will converge on equality.

Apr-02-13  Conrad93: < Please explain why the pawn on b4 is a "thorn" in White's position, and why you feel White stands worse after the series of moves I suggested in my first post>

You seem to have trouble understanding positions then.

Without the b4 pawn in the way the white knight could develop much more swiftly. To argue that it causes no strain in white's position is not something worth arguing about. The fact is too obvious.

The knight really has no place to go.

<White retains his customary very slight edge, and best play will converge on equality.>

The same can be said for even the worst position.

Apr-02-13  Abdel Irada: <Conrad93: Without the b4 pawn in the way the white knight could develop much more swiftly.>

Did you even bother to play through the line I suggested? As you will see, the pawn on b4 has no inhibiting effect on the knight, which after being developed on d2 (as in the game) moves to e4, a strong and active centralization.

<The same can be said for even the worst position.>

I see. We can put that to the test, then. You open with 1. f3 and 2. g4, and we'll see how soon that converges on equality.

<You seem to have trouble understanding positions then.>

Could remarks like that explain your reputation on this site?

Apr-03-13  Conrad93: <Did you even bother to play through the line I suggested? As you will see, the pawn on b4 has no inhibiting effect on the knight, which after being developed on d2 (as in the game) moves to e4, a strong and active centralization.>

The knight is on a weak square.

Apr-03-13  Abdel Irada: No, the knight moves *to* a weak square on b3.

If White had followed the plan I suggested in my first post on this page, its destination would be the active and central e4.

Apr-06-13  Conrad93: I'm starting to consider you a patzer if you think that the b4 pawn adds no difficulty. With the right moves black could make that pawn a passer.
Apr-06-13  Cyphelium: <Abdel Irada> After 10. e4 I think that the most natural try for black is 10. -c5. Then 11. e5 is almost forced. 11. -♘d5 12. ♘e4 ♘d7 looks good for black, I doubt that white can claim an edge here.

Obviously, the real blunder was losing a piece with 14. ♗b5. 13. ♗d2 looks uninspired as well. Instead, 13. f3 and 14. e4 looks like a way of developing the ♗c1. I don't think this looks like a worse option than 10. e4 (not better either, necessarily).

<Conrad93> It is easy to say things like that a piece is on a "weak square" or that a pawn might become a passer given "the right moves", but more difficult to explain what a weak square means in this particular case or show which those "right" moves actually are. You could do with showing some variations illustrating what you mean.

Apr-06-13  Conrad93: Showing a continuation is pointless. You can glance at the position and realize that knight on b1 is limited.
Apr-07-13  Cyphelium: <Conrad93> Of course it is limited, the question is whether it matters or not. I don't really believe in white's opening, but the position might still be playable. Variations have been suggested to support such a statement, be they right or wrong. You think that showing such continuations is pointless. I think that chess analysis using vague statements and no variations is what really deserves to be called pointless.
Apr-07-13  Conrad93: No, what's pointless is arguing that Nd2-Nb3-Nc5 (or Nd5) is possible. It's just a waste of tempo. After 6. Qe2? white gives away any advantage he possibly had.
Apr-07-13  Conrad93: 3. Na3 might actually be better than the popular 3. e3 variation, at least that's what Reti played.
Apr-08-13  Abdel Irada: <Conrad93>: I sense that someone has still not read my first post, and has perhaps also overlooked my subsequent ones.

Read over what I wrote and tell me where I suggested that White maneuver his knight to b3 and c5 or d4.

<Cyphelium>: As you'll find in my first post, 10. e4, c5 was precisely the sequence I anticipated, and although I think White's opening has been too passive for any real chance at an advantage, I would certainly not say the line I cited leaves him standing worse.

<All>: In case it's not clear, the way White played this opening is not as I would do it. But even lackadaisical openings need not lead to disadvantage, and I am not convinced that White cannot maintain at least equality with the line I offered.

However, I'm not proud. If I'm wrong, and anyone can show me a concrete continuation to prove it, I am perfectly willing to change my opinion.

Mar-01-24  Mayankk: Hardly a puzzle. Black is temporarily up a Knight plus 2 pawns, including a passed pawn. So exchanging his Queen for R+B still leaves it up R+B+N+2P against a hapless opponent Queen. A trade most of us will gladly make. In any case there is hardly anything else worthwhile considering.

So 22 ... Rxc4 23 Rxc3 Rxc3. Now Black just needs to find nice outposts for its pieces, exchange off a Rook and minor wherever feasible, harrass the opponent Queen and King and something will pop up sooner or later. Not much value in analyzing all White responses.

Mar-01-24  mel gibson: Didn't see that.

Stockfish 16 says:

22. ..Rxc4

(22. .. Rxc4 (1. ... Rxc4 2.Rxc3 Rxc3 3.Qe1 Rd3 4.h4 Ba6 5.Bd2 Nd7 6.Bxa5 Bf6 7.Bxc7 Bc3 8.Qg3 e5 9.a5 b2 10.Kh2 h6 11.h5 Bc4 12.Qh4 Bd4 13.Qe7 Be6 14.Bd6 Kh7 15.Ba3 Rb3 16.Bxb2 Rxb2 17.Rxb2 Bxb2 18.Qb4 Bd4 19.Qb5 Rb8 20.Qa4 Nf6 21.g4 Nd7 22.Qa3 Rb2+ 23.Kh1 Rb3 24.Qe7 Rxf3 25.g5 Rh3+ 26.Kg2) +6.10/42 332)

score for Black +6.10 depth 42.

Mar-01-24  Mayankk: White thought it was trapping Black Queen by allowing 15 ... Qxb3 and hoping for 16 Bc4 Qxb2 17 Ra2. Black smartly side-stepped it by 16 ... Qc2 17 e4 and now 17 .. Qxb2.

The d4 pawn is no longer protected and the Black Queen can plot her escape.

Mar-01-24
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  Caissalove: request for help in finding a game: This is a real long shot and if anyone knows where it is best to post please tell me.

It's a game played about 30 years ago maybe longer. I have feeling it was 28 moves or so and maybe Spassky won as white but could be another player, The only feature I can remember is that white ends up in a middle game with a Bf7 and is about to deliver an unstoppable mate with Rh3 checkmating a black king on h7. Not much to go on I know!

Mar-01-24
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  chrisowen: I'd it's wobble q duty it's key jazz it's Rxc4 abbot lab v aof jufa affect pet ae it's ooo Rxc4 dim
Mar-01-24
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  Diademas: Only one small trick left for white.
If after 34.Kg3 Bd4 35.Qxc7 black should do something really stupid and push the b-pawn there is a perpetual with the white Queen moving between d8 and g5.
Mar-01-24  TheaN: I'm with <Mayankk> on this one, this is not difficult really. Black is currently under pressure up material, so trading off slightly under par is fine. That pretty much leaves just <22....Rxc4! -+>, after which the text leaves a winning RBNP:Q, and White can't really play 23.Qxc4? Qxe3+ -+ and Black's up three pieces for the rook (23....Qxc4? is still won but I see no reason why Black wouldn't pick up a free piece).

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