David Navara vs Magnus Carlsen (2012)

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David Navara vs Magnus Carlsen
Tata Steel Group A (2012), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 6, Jan-20
Semi-Slav Defense: Stoltz Variation (D45) · 1/2-1/2

White to move.

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rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1

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Jan-20-12		Penguincw: Stunning! The choice to underpromote!

Jan-20-12		roninmb: Just a joke. At move 25 it was draw already.

Jan-20-12		wordfunph: Magnus it seemed like it should be a draw 50 moves earlier. "Yeah but I thought I wasn't going to be doing much in the hotel anyway. So why not sit there for a while." - Magnus Carlsen http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/chessne...

Jan-21-12		Penguincw: < wordfunph: Magnus it seemed like it should be a draw 50 moves earlier. "Yeah but I thought I wasn't going to be doing much in the hotel anyway. So why not sit there for a while." - Magnus Carlsen > Oh wow!

Jan-22-12		notyetagm: Game Collection: INTERPOSE! INTERPOSE! INTERPOSE! INTERPOSE!

Jan-22-12		notyetagm: Game Collection: EST's: Equal or Stronger Threats

Jan-11-13		toreohm: David Navara is a strong GM. The way he plays vs Carlsen is the best proof.

Jan-16-16		Honza Cervenka: I guess that 82.Ke4 was not played and that the electronic recorder of moves just recorded putting the white King on e4 (and black King on e5) in the sign of draw. The position after 81...Bxe8 is a draw by default due to insufficient material.

Jan-16-16		kellmano: <honza> Isn't it a draw after the underpromotion to the Bishop?

Jan-16-16		Honza Cervenka: <kellmano> Well, just theoretically you can set up a checkmate position with K+B vs K+B: click for larger view Of course, with Bishops of the same colour it is not possible but I am not sure whether it matters or not.

Jan-16-16		kellmano: <Honza> I've often wondered about the precise ruling, and it's relevant when a player flags. I think opposite coloured Bishops would be declared a draw, but this seems a bit random as P v Q is judged a win for the pawn. Perhaps I'm wrong about the opposite coloured Bishops and perhaps someone who knows the rules can enlighten me.

Jan-16-16		Honza Cervenka: <kellmano> With opposite colour Bishops on the board you can always (if the start position is not stalemate) by legal sequence of moves set up a checkmate (see diagram above). With Bishops of the same colour, which was the case in this game, it is not possible. But the question is, whether this fact matters here. Article 9.7 of FIDE Laws of chess says that "the game is drawn when a position is reached from which a checkmate cannot occur by any possible series of legal moves. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing this position was in accordance with Article 3 and Articles 4.2 – 4.7." As I understand it, the game should have ended right after 81.e8=B because from that position a checkmate cannot occur by any series of legal moves.

Jan-17-16		kellmano: <honza> Thanks for that. It appears that BvN should be a win in the event of someone flagging then. I've a feeling most online sites call that one a draw. Perhaps because too often you could have 20 seconds left and have to make 50 moves, whereas with QvP you can always take it within a couple of moves to secure a draw if you're flagging. Still White Kh1, pawn h2, Black Kh8 could require you to make a couple of hundred moves to draw a position that every beginner can easily.

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