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| Jul-23-11 | | twinlark: Chances are he knew someone who was killed or affected by these events. Norway has only 5 million people. |
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| Jul-23-11 | | pulsar: For once, someone brought Carlsen the fight he usually brings to his opponent--the persistent pressing for win. Congrats to Maxime for a fine win over the world's numero uno. |
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| Jul-23-11 | | kia0708: very, very long chess game,
without knights and bishops |
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Jul-24-11
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: I'm glad MVL stuck to his guns in this game. Perhaps they were glue guns because Black was quite stuck at the end. I think the game might have continued 96...f2; 97.Ra1,Rb8; 98.Rf1,Rb7; 99.Rxf2,Rxh7; 100.Kxf6 and White will eat a lot more pawns than Black. 78.f4 was a move for centuries of endgame books to come, esp. in conjunction with the anti-intuitive 82.Qf5, swapping off the Queens after giving Black a protected passed pawn. |
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| Jul-24-11 | | achieve: Here's MVL's postgame analysis alongside GM Cebalo, also addressing <78. f4> quite a bit, with MVL explaining that he had looked for the opportune moment to play <f3-f4> well before the 74th move. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A02H... |
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| Jul-24-11 | | Sokrates: Congrats to MVL for this brilliant victory, which I won't hesitate comparing with Lasker's famous victory over Capablanca in St Petersburg 1914. It's not an easy psychological task to keep the energy against a player like Carlsen. So this is not just a game won, it's beating the apparently invulnerable Aladdin of chess. Well done, indeed! |
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Jul-24-11
 | | scormus: <achieve> thanks for the link. It bears out the gist of what I thought and tried to post last evening when I analysed it, but the LIVE screen kept updating and I gave up in frustration. I'd looked at the game quite a bit, partly as a penance for my hasty initial misjudgement of 78 f4. I came to conclusion that MVL must have decided he probably would not win by committing all his pieces to breaking through via the a file. So he must have decided to keep manoevering and force a position when f4 would be advantageous. I am quite sure he envisioned much of the ensuing play including the Q exchange. Interesting Rybka didnt choose 78 f4. She assessed the existing position at ca. +0.7 and kept the status quo. When I input 78 f4 the eval went imediatley to ca. +0.3 and on deeper search it went to 0.00. However, further analysis revealed + evals for W following MVLs play through move 80. Rybka was certainly challenged and I suspect would never have picked 78 f4 in any practical amount of time. It testifies to MLVs vision and sense of purpose that he he persisted with the line he felt was most likely to win, despite as <Englishman> remarks and many of us thought, there was a serious risk of losing. f4 was a landmark move. A trmemndous winning campaign which could deserve best game prize. |
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| Jul-24-11 | | achieve: <scormus: <achieve> thanks for the link. It bears out the gist of what I thought and tried to post last evening when I analysed it, but the LIVE screen kept updating and I gave up in frustration.> You're welcome - and indeed an idea in such a situation might be to use Wordpad when composing a comment. ;) <Rybka was certainly challenged and I suspect would never have picked 78 f4 in any practical amount of time. It testifies to MLVs vision and sense of purpose that he he persisted with the line he felt was most likely to win, despite as <Englishman> remarks and many of us thought, there was a serious risk of losing. f4 was a landmark move.> Eloquently worded... I managed to come to a similar conclusion <during> the game, but was handicapped regarding my eloquence because of distracting evals that were posted on <f4>, and the move being served off as a "lemon." Good to see your attitude and self-reflective abilities in working order ;) I'm all of a sudden a new <MVL-fan>! |
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| Jul-24-11 | | arnaud1959: I don't understand 87.-Kg8. Why not Re7? White cannot exchange rooks and must bring the rook to a1 or a2 and then probably to the g-file. He should still win but Black can look at least for counterchances through a or g-files. |
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| Jul-24-11 | | Ulhumbrus: Perhaps it is worth quoting again chessgames' biographical details of Vachier-Lagrave: <Maxime Vachier-Lagrave was born October 21, 1990 in Nogent-sur-Marne, just outside of Paris. A genuine prodigy, he became the then second-youngest grandmaster in the world in 2005, at the age of 14 years 4 months (Magnus Carlsen was the youngest at that time). > This is not some weak opponent whom Carlsen lost to. He is one of the strongest opponents Carlsen could have faced. |
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| Jul-24-11 | | DrMAL: This was an amazing game to watch, especially with all the other chess loonies kibitzing, including <Ulhumhrus> and <Domdaniel> they are excellent players. The game was even more exciting because GM V-L's route was a French curve, particularly with 76.Qb1 and the line that followed. His position was so dominating he could do all sorts of things. But it's always an interesting surprise when the doorbell rings and upon opening it someone jumps off the roof, bounces on a trampoline and flies through the window! As a true Parisian would say, "vachement systeme D!" |
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Jul-24-11
| | scormus: <achieve: I'm all of a sudden a new MVL-fan>! Me too! I was sorry he didnt keep the show on the road against Morozovich, that also promised to be great win.
And thanks for the Wordpad tip!
I looked at the game some more with Rybka. After 78 f4 she found the win even without the need for 80 ... Qe6?! after quite a search, d=20 I think it was. The game move just made it easier to find. After 77 .. Kg6 she found a clear win with 78 Qd5, but only at d=24. I think MVL can be forgiven for not seeing that deep! I look forward to seeing more of his games, and of course the rematch with MC. <CG> You will feature it, n'est-ce pas? |
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| Jul-24-11 | | anandrulez: <I don't understand 87.-Kg8. Why not Re7? White cannot exchange rooks and must bring the rook to a1 or a2 and then probably to the g-file. He should still win but Black can look at least for counterchances through a or g-files.> Looks like Re7 and then Ra6 Rb7 Ra8 would create the same problem for Carlsen , so he decided to play Kg8 which loses but he can try the f pawn push as the only last resource . |
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| Jul-24-11 | | DrMAL: <scormus> How long did Rybka take to compute that? It will eventually find it, just wondering. Forgot to mention how fun it also was being able to sneer at it, this does not happen often and I imagine it does not feel hurt. |
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| Jul-24-11 | | anandrulez: Ra8 then i.e after Rb7 would be a zugzwang . In other words its mandatory to have R on 8th file to have any chances to draw . Because white doesnt just grab the a pawn it also trades the black rook in the process as King cant go anywheree .but the 7th rank ...and that means enough tempo to queen to a pawn too . Hope that explanation is clear . Please correct me if I am missing anything . |
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| Jul-24-11 | | hms123: In going through the game with some electronic help, I noticed this position (White to play at move 82):
click for larger viewwith this line:
<82.Rxb8+ Rxb8 83.Ra7 Kg8 84.g5 f5 85.g6> 
click for larger viewIt may have been hard to see with so little time remaining for MVL. |
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| Jul-24-11 | | DrMAL: <hms123> Look back on page 15:
Jul-23-11
DrMAL: <ajile> type 82.Rxb8+ Rxb8 83.Ra7! into Rybka plssneer (at Rybka not you, cheers!) |
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| Jul-24-11 | | arnaud1959: <anandrulez> I don't think you're missing something. In fact, the same position occured on the 84th move with a slight but important difference. The white king was on b3 and black could create problems by pushing f3. So black wasn't in zugzwang yet. And if white plays Rh8 while the rook is on e7, black can play Re8 and we reach a similar position as in the game. |
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| Jul-24-11 | | znsprdx: Ironic that Magnus had recently stated the he sees "psychological warfare" as being a critical component of his Chess style. Maxime provided perhaps the ultimate proof of this dictum...watching his persistence, as he went one hour behind on the clock was phenomenal. BTW dumping on Qe6 is silly [Carlsen took nearly 20 minutes on it]...it seemed forced because g5 was coming...the point of f4 in the first place....although I would appreciate some analysis to support my intuitive view...thank-you. No doubt ths game will be the turning point on the road to the elite club for Vachier-Lagrave |
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Jul-24-11
| | scormus: <DrMaL> got it here now. I ran them for 2 h, average search at 50,000 N/s. Found 78 Qd5 after 26 mins at d=24 and eval = +1.53, reached d=25 after 2 h. same line, eval up to +2.40. WQ penetrates and rips up the B Qside After 78 f4 she took a few minutes to get to d=20 and find the line starting ... gxf4 79 Qh3 Kf7 80 Qh5+ etc. Prefers that to the game move (80 Ra8) giving eval ca. +0.8. After 2h it had reached d=24 and eval up to +1.53. Qs stay on, unlike the game, and WQ dominates the center. I have the analysis but wont post unless someone really wants it! |
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| Jul-24-11 | | OneArmedScissor: <znsprdx: Ironic that Magnus had recently stated the he sees "psychological warfare" as being a critical component of his Chess style.> That's not ironic. |
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| Jul-24-11 | | OneArmedScissor: This is absolutely a tremendous game by MVL. Possibly his best game yet? |
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| Jul-24-11 | | bubuli55: It seems like towards the end, MLG was making all the moves. All pieces on the board are at the right place for f4 to happen. Kudos to MLG for the push:) |
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| Jul-24-11 | | hms123: <DrMal> I did look back but missed that comment. Thanks for pointing it out. It was a terrific game and I am sorry I missed the live action. |
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| Jul-24-11 | | David2009: M Vachier-Lagrave vs Carlsen, 2011 was a remarkable piece of successful risk-taking by Maxime Vachier-Lagrave. At move 76, he had the guts to refuse a draw against the world No.1 and chance his arm with 76. Qb1 Rb7 to reach
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Here MVL burnt his boats with 77.Qd3! in effect committing after 77...Kh6 to sacrificing a Pawn next move with 78.f4! Respect! Setting the position up in Crafty End Game Trainer http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... the EGT follows the game defence until move 80, when it plays 80...Qe8 instead of 80...Qe6 to leave 
click for larger view I now needed silicon help to find the following win against the EGT: 81.R1a7 Qc8 82.Qd3 Kg6 83.Qd5 Rxa8 84.Rxb7 Qf8 85.g5! to reach
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and Black is lost after either 85...fxg5 86.Qe6+ Kh5 87.Qh3+ Kg6 88.Rg7+ or 85...Kxg5 86.Rxh7 Kg6 87.Rg7+ Kxh6 88.Rg1 Re8 89.Qd1 and the EGT gives up its Queen with 89...Qg8 to defer mate. |
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