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Alexey Shirov vs Viswanathan Anand
XXIV Magistral de Ajedrez Ciudad de Leon (2011) (rapid), Leon, Spain, rd 3, Jun-04
Caro-Kann Defense: Advance Variation. Bayonet Attack (B12)  ·  0-1

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Jun-05-11  AndrewMD: I'm not good chess player.

Can anybody show me the winning move or mating move here?

Thank you very much.

Jun-05-11  Phil Holden: < AndrewMD: I'm not good chess player.> I believe Black has so many options to just win material
Jun-05-11  AndrewMD: Thank you <Phil Holden>
Jun-05-11  IRONCASTLEVINAY: STOCKFISH shows almost -4.08 something

Positional advantage of almost four pawns to Anand.

Jun-05-11
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  Domdaniel: <SetNoEscapeOn> Ah. Thanks. That's actually a bit embarrassing, as it was movies like The Godfather (I and II) that led me to become a movie critic. Part III, some years later, persuaded me to move on to other kinds of writing. But I *shoulda* got the reference.

What little baseball lore I have is a weird mixture of movie stuff (Field of Dreams, and the brilliant Bull Durham... and Redford in The Natural ... and many versions of "Say it ain't so, Joe") plus references in the science essays of Stephen Jay Gould. And, hmm, a few novelists, like Don Delillo. And Exley's classic A Fan's Notes, though it's more gridiron and electro-therapy. And songs like 'Casey at the Bat'. And, and ... y'know, there's more of that stuff in my head than I thought.

I see Rothstein had links with real and imaginary mobsters from Legs Diamond to Dutch Schultz to Meyer Wolfsheim in The Great Gatsby. One of my favorite lines is from the 1930s film, The Rise and Fall of Legs Diamond: our hero gets out of jail and finds things are different now. The new mob is run by accountants and businessmen, who don't like flashy capers. He's summoned to a meeting, and told:

"The world's changing, Mr Diamond. I suggest you leave it."

Brilliant.

Jun-05-11  notyetagm: <yalie: Vishy must be very confident Gelfand will not play 4.g4. Otherwise why "waste" the novelty now?>

Gelfand almost *never* plays 1 e4.

Repertoire Explorer: Boris Gelfand (white)

Jun-05-11  Akavall: I am surprised he played it that much.
Jun-05-11  Kinghunt: And Anand almost never plays the Caro-Kann either.
Jun-06-11
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  jessicafischerqueen: <Setnoescapeonthe heart of the sun>

Great scene that from the Godfather II movie.

As you probably already know, in the movie, Hyman Roth is meant to be <Arnold Rothstein's> protege Meyer Lansky, and Moe Green is meant to be Lansky's pal Bugsy Siegel, the man who built Las Vegas.

Jun-06-11  SetNoEscapeOn: <jessicafischerqueen>

Absolutely. Puzo is very fond of hiding famous figures "in plain sight." In The Last Don (not only my second favorite but also the basis for a very entertaining TV movie of the same name), there is a racist, ego-maniacal LA cop who was clearly inspired by Mark Fuhrman.

<Domdaniel>

Your post has been "saved." I'm an amateur critic myself but I need must see many more films.

Jun-06-11
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  perfidious: The first two Godfather movies were superb, and the original remains a favourite.

<jess> Moe Greene's name is taken from mobsters Moe Sedway and Gus Greenbaum.

If Siegel hadn't skimmed with such rapacity, he might have lived a lot longer. Just couldn't keep his hand out of the till, though, and Lansky was forced to agree to get rid of his protege and friend.

Greenbaum got it a few years on for the same reason.

Jun-06-11  SetNoEscapeOn: I knew a guy (a hearing-impaired Life Master, actually)who I tried to speak with once about movies. He said

"Well, with me movies are tough because it's hard to hear anything.

But The Godfather and Pulp Fiction- that's just outstanding."

Jun-06-11  Chris00nj: What I like about these semi-rapid games is that there tends to be a more diverse opening selection. Otherwise its QGD, Grunfeld, Petroff and Sicilian... and that's it.

I applaud Shirov's non-boring approach, though as a C-K player, I like the line against a pesky g4.

Do "rapid" games make the opening explorer?, because the c5 move doesn't show up yet.

Jun-06-11  bronkenstein: Chris00nj , maybe http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... will explain why c5 is so shy.
Jun-08-11  meetjain2295: Hey, can anyone please tell me what's so lost about this position?
Jun-08-11  bronkenstein: <Hey, can anyone please tell me what's so lost about this position?>

It`s tactical rather than obvious , you can check

http://chessok.com/broadcast/?key=l...

Or

http://livechess.chessdom.com/site/... (choose Anand-Shirov , game 3 )

for variations .

Shortly , white is losing bishops pair and at least one pawn soon , while , additionally , lagging in development .

Jun-09-11  Ulhumbrus: Perhaps the reason why the move 6...c5 is an innovation is that no one has tried this particular pawn sacrifice against the move 4 g4 before.
Jun-09-11  polarmis: ChessVibes quoted Shirov on this game:

<“I was lost before play started,” the Latvian grandmaster said afterwards. “I could not find any satisfactory variation against the Caro-Kann during my morning preparation in the hotel. So I got to the stage in not a very good mood. Then I chose a very aggressive line, with the hope that, playing with White, at least I would achieve a draw. This was clearly not right.”>

And Anand said it was a <textbook example> of how to exploit 4. g4.

Personally I think ChessBase went completely over the top on the (almost) novelty. Anand just played logical chess (responding in the centre to a premature push on the flank) rather than an astounding move that overturned existing judgments.*

* though as a patzer don't take my word on anything to do with opening theory :)

Jun-10-11  bronkenstein: <Personally I think ChessBase went completely over the top...> They are simply consistent with their new HYPE! policy , remember the candidate matches.
Jun-10-11  polarmis: Yep, the point was to comically over-hype a fun rapid event as a way of attacking the Candidates Matches, again.

e.g. http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

<After a fairly ho-hum Candidates cycle, chess fans were famished wolves in search of excitement on the chessboard.>

<The games have promised to be exciting, and after a fairly ho-hum Candidates cycle, they were a refreshing splash of cold water for chess fans.>

<All the chess fans are tired of the boring chess in Kazan and this choice of opening in this Rapid match is the least they could expect!>

That last quote from the run-of-the-mill GM who thought it was fine to call Gelfand and Grischuk agreeing a tense draw in the most important match of their lives "disgusting"...

Jun-10-11  njchess: 7. cxd5?... Ugh
Jun-10-11  Ulhumbrus: <polarmis: ... Anand just played logical chess (responding in the centre to a premature push on the flank) rather than an astounding move that overturned existing judgments.*> There was more than one way to respond in the centre, and the way in which Anand chose to respond in the centre was to offer a pawn sacrifice, a pawn sacrifice which no one else had tried so far.

The move 6...c5 attacks White's centre. At the same time it spends a second tempo upon moving the c pawn which has already moved to c6.

The move is paradoxical in a way for two reasons. Firstly, Black plays 5...e6 first and shuts his Bishop in as in the French defence. Secondly, Black closes the game by 5...e6 before offering a counter-gambit instead of trying to open it.

Jun-14-11  qqdos: <bronkenstein> <Ulhumbrus> According to chessok.com 6...c5 is not new. Tongue-in-cheekily it describes Anand's 6th as "an old move" and his 7th as the "novelty", citing Mukhin vs Nasybullin, Aktjubinsk 1976 (1-0). In that game Black took the d-pawn: 7...cxd4 8.Qxd4 exd5 9.Qxd5 Nc6 10.Bc4 Qe7 11.Bg5 Qxe5+ 12.Nge2 giving White a lead in development.
Jun-14-11  bronkenstein: @qqdos , <Now, before readers begin protesting their databases show two games with the aforementioned novelty, it is worth noting that one is by players rated under 2000, and frankly that cannot be considered a genuine precedent, and in the other, a game played in 1976, the Black player was lost so quickly, he clearly had no idea what he had in his hands. > , http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
Jun-22-11  DrMAL: 9.Qxd5 was best with an equal position but 9.Bg2 only gave black small advantage. White goes on with a few more minor inaccuracies (e.g., 12.Nf3 instead of 12.Bg5) until 14.Qd2 (instead of Qd1 or Qc2) a mistake probably already decisive.

15.a3 (instead of simple 15.Nxc5) followed by 16.b4 makes it much more so, white is now lost, his king is stuck in the center and whatever he does loses significant material.

For example, after white's best 18.Rd1 blacks' best is 18...a5 but even after 18...Ngxe5 or 18...Ncxe5 white loses the exchange after 19.Nxe5 Nxe5 20.Bxd4 Nd3+ 21.Qxd3 Bxd3 22.Bxb6 axb6 23.Rxd3 Rxd3 with black's attack still going.

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