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Leycester vs Philidor
Casual game, knight odds (1788) (unorthodox), London, ENG, Mar-29
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May-21-10  Xeroxx: Philidor the hypermodernist.
May-21-10  CapablancaFan122: This score is incomplete. I believe that white obtains a strong attack after <30. Re7+> and deflecting the black queen from protecting d5. Here's some analysis:

30..Qxe7 31.Qxd5+ Kc7 [31..Ka7 or Kb8 32. Nc6+] 32.Qc6+ Kb8 33.Qb6+ Ka8 34.Qxa6+ Qa7 35.Qxa7 36.Nc6+ and white is a piece ahead.

In this line, if 33..Kc8, then: 34.Bxf5+ Rd7 35.Nc6 Qe1+ 36.Ka2 and black cannot avoid mate.

If, 31..Kc7 32.Bxf5+ Kc7 [not Kb8 because of Nc6+] 33.Qc6+ Kb8 34.Qb6+ Qb7 35.Nc6+ and not only black will lose a rook, but will also be mated after Qxd8+.

It seems white could have played the same scenario right after 27..Rxg3. Since it appears that Philidor won this game afterwards, I assume that Leycester missed Re7+! entirely.

May-21-10  CapablancaFan122: No computers were used so I'd appreciate if anyone can go over 30.Re7+ and see if I missed any lines in my analysis.
May-21-10  CapablancaFan122: Silly me, in the second line I meant <31..Kc8> instead of Kc7.
Jul-05-10  larkio: You're absolutely right, CapablancaFan122. White is completely winning in the ending position here with Re7+! The only thing to add is that white is even more winning than your first line (30..Qxe7 31.Qxd5+ Kc7 [31..Ka7 or Kb8 32. Nc6+] 32.Qc6+ Kb8 33.Qb6+ Ka8) would indicate - instead of 34. Qxa6+, Crafty recommends 34. Nc6! and evaluates it as a mate in 14 if black throws his queen away just right :P.
Jul-30-10  Jahdragon: Philidor the great master invites an odds game and proceeds to head, in all his greatness, into a lost position. Luckily, because he was so great, his opponent resigned in the face of a win! Philidor was a mobster! Philidor said, "because yous took the knight odds, yous got to take a dive on the 36th. I did yous a favor, now yous owe me one."

Historical Fact: Philidor was laughed at for using the word yous a lot... lol

Jan-17-23
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  jnpope: Source: <Oxford Encyclopedia of Chess Games>, Oxford 1981, p14; cites "MS H. J. Murray 64, Bodleian Oxford, Collection of European Games".

Source gives 3/29/1788 as the date.

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