Jun-25-09 | | ounos: I don't know till when it's still theory, but I love white's opening handling! |
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Jun-25-09 | | Bobsterman3000: 9...Ne7 looks extremely passive to me, but as a d4 guy I've never played this line as white. |
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Jun-25-09 | | twinlark: This is a ripper of a game by Shirov. His control of the <d6> square, especially after the positional exchange sac, is like a fishbone in Nisipeanu's throat. It's hard to pinpoint a losing move, as Black's position just seems to crumble and fall into ruin, but it looks like after <28...Re6 29.h4> followed by <30.c5>, Black's well and truly on the way to being stuffed and mounted. It'll probably be a while before Nisipeanu plays this particular opening again. This game strolls into my hall of fame. |
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Jun-25-09 | | SimonWebbsTiger: 9...Ne7 has been played by Nisipeanu and Judit Polgar before. She got a very bad position after 12...Bb7 13. Kb1 Ba5 14. B:f6 gf 15. Qh6 Qb6 16. g3 (Anand - J.Polgar, FIDE World ch 2005). 9...Na5 (Anand has played this as Black) and 9...Ne5 (the move of choice) have been played here |
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Jun-25-09 | | WhiteRook48: why did he play another move |
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Jun-25-09 | | Udit Narayan: Outclassed! |
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Jun-25-09 | | messachess: Most impressive is Shirov's positional mastery--sac.'ing the exchange on d6 just ties up black's position, preventing castling--etc. Great win. |
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Jun-25-09 | | twinlark: <SimonWebbsTiger>
Polgar has played this move twice before, according to the CG database: once against Leko at St Luis (which she lost in 25 moves), and once again in the 2005 MTel against Topalov, which she drew in 68 moves. |
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Jun-26-09 | | SimonWebbsTiger: of course, one of the truly cool things to do is click on the explore opening link!
Games Like Shirov vs Nisipeanu, 2009 |
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Jun-26-09 | | twinlark: *ouch* I came at it through the Opening Explorer and then used the search facility under the chessboard after <9...Ne7>, and only found the two I cited. This time the Anand game shows up. I thought I'd checked twice for the Anand game. Hmm...must be going blind, or just plain careless. |
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Jun-26-09 | | SimonWebbsTiger: haha, no worries mate. One of the frustrating thing about computer databases is the extraordinary fashion games get "lost"! I shudder to think what troubles await when I finally get around to buying ChessBase. :-D The "find similar games" link looks to be better if one wsnts to find a particular variation. So I am sitting with my latest purchase, "Chess Explained: the Taimanov Sicilian" by James Rizzitano (Gambit 2006) and the selection of games in this English Attack system, with that great hope I will understand this opening. CG.com is such a great resource! |
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Jun-27-09 | | ex0duz: Why did black play 24.Ng6, and then give up his g7 pawn? Wouldn't it be better to give up the e5 pawn instead and play 24.Nc8 instead, and then 25.Bxe5 0-0? |
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Jun-27-09 | | twinlark: <ex0duz>
It's no relief: <if 24...Nc8 25.Bxe5 0-0 26.Bxf6 gxf6 27.Ng4> and he'll lose a second pawn, eg: <27...Kg7 28.Nf5+> etc Otherwise, if he tries to protect the h-pawn with the rook by playing <25...Kf8> then <26.Bxf6 exf6 27.cxb5 axb5 28.Nh5> keeps him well and truly under the thumb. |
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