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Vasyl Ivanchuk vs Alexander Grischuk
"Chuk E. Cheese" (game of the day Aug-26-2009)
4th FIDE Grand Prix (2009), Nalchik RUS, rd 11, Apr-27
King's Indian Defense: Orthodox Variation. Bayonet Attack (E97)  ·  1-0



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Jun-11-09  Trader19: can anyone explain h3 by white?
Jul-08-09  whiteshark: <Trader19: can anyone explain h3 by white?> Thousands of members can't. So it must be a very deep Chuck-move.

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Jul-11-09  OneArmedScissor: Why not <25. ...Qxg4>?
Aug-26-09  RandomVisitor: After 13...a6:

1: Vassily Ivanchuk - Alexander Grischuk, 4th FIDE Grand Prix 2009

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Analysis by Rybka 3 : <14-ply>

1. ² (0.33): 14.Qd2 Re8 15.Rfd1 g5 16.h3 Ng6

2. = (0.21): 14.Nb3 g5 15.h3 Ng6 16.Qc2 Re8 17.Nb1 Qe7 18.N1d2 Bd7 19.Na5 Rab8 20.Rfe1

3. = (0.17): 14.h3 c6 15.Nb3 cxd5 16.Nxd5 Nxd5 17.exd5 Bb2 18.Rc2 Be5 19.Re1 Re8 20.Bg4 Bxg4 21.hxg4 Rc8

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  An Englishman: Good Evening: I thought Black was winning for most of the game, but now I doubt my original judgment. After 21.Re1, it becomes clear that Black's Queen side pieces don't play any particularly useful roles in the game.
Aug-26-09  Primoman: It seems like 30...Qe6 is a major blunder. Why not 30...Qd8 to protect the pawn and better fortify blacks position?
Aug-26-09  RandomVisitor: Vassily Ivanchuk (2746) - Alexander Grischuk (2748) [E97] 4th FIDE Grand Prix Nalchik RUS (11), 27.04.2009
[Rybka 3 ]

1.d4 Nf6
2.c4 g6
3.Nc3 Bg7
4.e4 d6
5.Nf3 0-0
6.Be2 e5
7.0-0 Nc6
8.d5 Ne7
9.b4 Nh5
10.c5 Nf4
11.Bxf4 exf4
12.Rc1 h6
13.Nd4 last book move

13...a6 0.43/16
14.h3= 0.12/16
[Rybka 3 : 14.Qd2 g5 15.Rfd1 Re8 16.Bh5 Ng6 17.Bxg6 fxg6 18.f3 Be5 19.h3 Bg7 20.a4 dxc5 21.bxc5 Qe7 0.43/16 ]

14...Kh8 0.58/16
[Rybka 3 : 14...c6 15.Nb3 cxd5 16.Nxd5 Nxd5 17.exd5 Re8 18.Bf3 a5 19.bxa5 Bb2 20.Rc2 Be5 21.Re1 dxc5 22.Rxc5 Qd6 23.Rc1= 0.12/16 ]

15.Qd2 0.33/15
[Rybka 3 : 15.Qd3 Kg8 16.Rfd1 Bd7 17.a3 Re8 18.Rc2 Bc8 19.Bf3 Bd7 20.Qd2 g5 21.Qd3 0.58/16 ]

15...Ng8 0.73/15
[Rybka 3 : 15...Kg8 16.Rfe1 Re8 17.Bd1 Bd7 18.Ba4 Bxa4 19.Nxa4 Nc8 20.Nf3 Qf6 21.Rc2 Rb8 0.33/15 ]

16.Rfd1 0.44/16
[Rybka 3 : 16.Rfe1 Ne7 17.a4 Kg8 18.Red1 g5 19.Bh5 Bd7 20.Qb2 Be5 21.Qb3 Rc8 22.Qc4 0.73/15 ]

16...h5 0.92/14
[Rybka 3 : 16...g5 17.Bg4 Bxg4 18.hxg4 Ne7 19.Na4 Kg8 20.Nb2 b5 21.cxb6 cxb6 22.Nc6 Qc7 23.e5 b5 24.Re1 0.44/16 ]

17.Qxf4 0.42/20
[Rybka 3 : 17.Re1 Bd7 18.Bf1 a5 19.bxa5 dxc5 20.Nb3 c4 21.Nc5 Bc8 22.Bxc4 f3 23.gxf3 Rxa5 24.Nb3 0.92/14 ]

17...Bh6 0.42/18
18.Qg3 0.42/18 h4 0.42/17
19.Qd3 0.28/19
[Rybka 3 : 19.Qh2 Bxc1 20.Rxc1 Re8 21.Qf4 Kg7 22.Bd3 Qf6 23.Qe3 Ne7 24.Nf3 Bd7 25.a3 Ng8 0.42/17 ]

19...Bxc1 0.28/19
20.Rxc1 0.28/16 Qg5 0.47/17
[Rybka 3 : 20...Re8 21.Nf3 Kg7 22.Qe3 Bd7 23.Re1 Nf6 24.e5 dxe5 25.Nxe5 a5 26.b5 b6 27.cxb6 cxb6 0.28/16 ]

21.Re1= 0.07/17
[Rybka 3 : 21.Rd1 Nf6 22.Nf3 Qf4 23.Qd4 Kg8 24.e5 Qxd4 25.Rxd4 dxe5 26.Nxe5 Rd8 27.Bc4 Re8 28.Nf3 Kg7 29.Rxh4 Bf5 30.Ng5 0.47/17 ]

21...Bd7 0.78/16
[Rybka 3 : 21...Nf6 22.Nf3 Qf4 23.Bf1 Kg7 24.Re3 Nd7 25.Ne2 Qf6 26.Ned4 Re8 27.Qc2 Ne5 28.Nxe5 Qxe5 29.Nf3 Qf6 30.a3 g5= 0.07/17 ]

22.c6 0.27/19
[Rybka 3 : 22.Nf3 Qf6 23.Qe3 Kg7 24.Bc4 Rad8 25.Nd4 Qe7 26.a4 Nf6 27.c6 Bc8 28.a5 Rfe8 29.Nf3 0.78/16 ]

22...bxc6 0.40/18 23.dxc6= 0.21/18
[Rybka 3 : 23.Bf1 Rfd8 24.a3 Ne7 0.40/18 ]

23...Be6 0.21/17 24.Bg4= -0.08/20
[Rybka 3 : 24.Nf3 Qf6 25.Qe3 Rfe8 26.Nd4 Ne7 27.Rc1 Kg8 28.a3 Kh7 29.Rd1 Kg8= 0.21/17 ]

24...Bxg4 -0.08/20
25.hxg4 -0.08/19 Ne7 -0.08/17
26.Qd1³ -0.38/17
[Rybka 3 : 26.e5 dxe5 27.Nf3 Qf4 28.Nxe5 Rad8 29.Nd7 Nxc6 30.Nd5 Qd4 31.Qxd4+ Nxd4 32.N5f6 Kg7 33.Nxf8 Kxf6 34.Nh7+ Kg7 35.Ng5 Nb5 36.f4 Rd4 37.Re4 Nc3 38.Rxd4 Ne2+ 39.Kf2 Nxd4 40.Nf3 Nc2 41.Nxh4= -0.08/17 ]

26...Rab8= 0.22/18
[Rybka 3 : 26...Rad8 27.Qf3 Kg7 28.a3 Qh6 29.Re3 Rfe8 30.Qe2 Qf4³ -0.38/17 ]

27.a3³ -0.29/18
[Rybka 3 : 27.e5 dxe5 28.Nf3 Qf4 29.Re4 Qf6 30.Nxe5 Rxb4 31.g5 Qxg5 32.Nxf7+ Rxf7 33.Rxb4 h3 34.Rg4 Qh5 35.Qd4+ Kg8 36.Rh4 Nxc6 37.Qe4 Qf5 38.Qxf5 Rxf5 39.Rxh3 Kg7 40.Ne4 Nd4= 0.22/18 ]

27...Kg7= 0.20/17
[Rybka 3 : 27...Rfe8 28.Re3 Kg7 29.Rh3 Rh8 30.Qa1³ -0.29/18 ]

28.Re3³ -0.29/18
[Rybka 3 : 28.Qa1 Kg8 29.e5 d5 30.Qd1 Rbe8 31.Qf3 Qd2 32.Rd1 Qg5 33.Qe2 Qf4 34.e6 f6 35.f3 Qe5 36.Qd2 Kg7 37.f4 Qd6= 0.20/17 ]

28...Qf6 0.40/17
[Rybka 3 : 28...Rfe8 29.Rh3 Rh8 30.Qa1 Kg8 31.Qd1 Rh7 32.Re3 Kh8 33.Qe2 Re8 34.Qxa6 Qxg4 35.Qe2 Qxe2 36.Rxe2 Kg7 37.a4 Rb8 38.Ncb5 Rh5 39.Kh2³ -0.29/18 ]

29.Nf3= 0.00/16
[Rybka 3 : 29.Rh3 Rb6 0.40/17 ]

29...Nxc6 1.33/18 [Rybka 3 : 29...Rbe8 30.g5 Qf4 31.Qd4+ f6 32.gxf6+ Rxf6 33.Ne2 Qg4 34.Nh2 Qh5 35.Qc3 Ng8 36.Nf3 Qg4= 0.00/16 ]

30.Nd5 1.25/17 Qe6 1.38/16
31.Nxc7= 0.14/17
[Rybka 3 : 31.Ng5 Qd7 32.Nh7 Rfd8 33.Rc3 Rb5 34.Ndf6 Qe6 35.Rxc6 Rh8 36.Rxc7 Rxh7 37.Nxh7 Kxh7 38.Qd4 a5 1.38/16 ]

31...Qxg4 1.63/17
[Rybka 3 : 31...Qd7 32.Nxa6 Rbc8 33.e5 Rfd8 34.exd6 Qxd6 35.Qa1+ Nd4 36.Nc5 Qf6 37.Kf1 Nxf3 38.Qxf6+ Kxf6 39.Rxf3+ Kg7 40.Rc3 Rb8 41.Ke2 Rd6 42.Re3 Rd4 43.Ne4 Rbd8= 0.14/17 ]

32.Qxd6 1.59/16 Rbd8 2.14/19
[Rybka 3 : 32...h3 33.g3 Nd8 34.Qe5+ f6 35.Ne8+ Rxe8 36.Qxe8 Qe6 37.Qxe6 Nxe6 38.Rc3 Kf7 39.Kh2 a5 40.bxa5 Ra8 41.Kxh3 Rxa5 42.Nd2 Ra4 43.Kg2 Rd4 44.Nc4 Nc5 1.59/16 ]

33.Qxc6 1.94/18 Rd1+ 2.14/18
34.Ne1 1.98/16 h3? 5.02/18
[Rybka 3 : 34...Rc8 35.Kf1 Kh7 36.Qb6 Kg7 37.Nd5 1.98/16 ]

35.Qc3+ 5.02/18 f6 4.94/16
36.Rxh3 3.68/16 Rc8? 7.20/12
[Rybka 3 : 36...Qc8 37.e5 3.68/16 ]

37.e5 6.82/10 1-0

Aug-26-09  ounos: Oh. Rybka makes everyone look like patzers...
Aug-26-09  kevin86: In a balanced game as this,it only takes a pawn to decide the outcome.
Aug-26-09  meth0dSNK: 9... Ne8 is better for Grischuk.
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  Once: I guess it's an american pun. Can anyone translate for the ROW?
Aug-26-09  Jim Bartle: Chuck E. Cheese is a restaurant chain, pizza I think with lots of games.
Aug-26-09  JamesMazur2: In response to OneArmedScissor, if 25...Qxg4 is played, White can respond 26. Nd5, attacking the c7 pawn. This causes problems for Black, so the actual move 25...Ne7 is played to avoid this line.
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  Once: <Jim Bartle> Thanks - that explains it!
Aug-26-09  JamesMazur2: In response to Primoman, if 30...Qd8 is played, White can respond 31. Qa1+.

Black then has 7 possible responses:

31...Qf6 32. Qxf6+ and Black loses.

31...Nd4. White can play either 32. Qxd4+ or 32. Nxd4, winning the knight for free.

31...Kg8 32. Nf6+ with a strong attack on Black's king.

31...Kh7 32. Nf6+ also with a strong attack on Black's king.

31...Kh6 32. g5+ also allows White to directly attack Black's king.

31...f6 32. g5 and White will soon play gxf6 as the pawn on f6 is pinned by the queen. White has won a pawn and will eventually be able to break up the defenses on Black's kingside. An example line is 32...Ne5 33. gxf6+ Rxf6 34. Nxe5 dxe5 35. Qxe5 and the rook is pinned as well as attacked by the knight. Eventually Black will be forced to exchange a rook for a knight, and White is ahead a pawn, whose promotion can be forced.

This leaves 31...Ne5. First, 32. g5. Black has a few possible responses:

32...Rb6. White has 33. Nxe5 dxe5 34. Qxe5+ f6 35. Nxf6 Rbxf6 36. gxf6+ Qxf6 37. Qxf6+. 37...Rxf6 but White is still up a pawn and will eventually promote.

Black could also try to avoid 33. Nxe5.

32...f6 leads to complications similar to those in the position after 31...f6, as explained above.

32...Qe8 allows for 33. Nxc7, and White wins a pawn.

32...Re8 33. Nd4! The knight on e5 still can't move. It will either be captured for free on f3 or 34. Nf5+! and 35. Qg7#. White is threatening f4 to win the knight, so Black must aim to gain as much compensation as possible: 33...Qxg5 34. f4. 34...Qh5 discourages 35. fxe5, but White can still make that move without fear: 35...Qxe5 36. Qd1 is one possible line. Nxc7 is White's threat, and in defending that threat, Black will further weaken his position, to the point where White can win. However, 35. Nc6! is even stronger. It prevents ...Qxe5 and ...Rxe5 after fxe5 is played.

In conclusion, the move 30...Qe6 avoids these lines. White can still win in this variation by 31. Ng5 (as opposed to putting the pawn on g5 in the Qd8 variations). Amazingly, however, White actually played 31. Nxc7? and Black could have drawn the game with 31...Qd7 but made his own blunder with 31...Qxg4 and White won with 32. Qxd6! It just goes to show that humans under pressure will often not make the best move. So, in one sentence this whole essay:

If 30...Qd8 is played, White will respond 31. Qa1+! and win.

P.S. 31. Qa1+ is still somewhat effective after the actual 30...Qe6. Try it yourself!

Aug-26-09  meth0dSNK: you guys are all nubz.. grischuks first mistake was 9. Nh5
Aug-26-09  YouRang: A pretty desperate pun today, IMO. The only connection to the game, as far as I can tell, is "Chuk".

<Jim Bartle> is correct: Chuck E. Cheese is a restaurant chain aimed at young children, serving pizza with a variety of little coin-operated game and ride machines.

Very noisy! No sane adults go there to dine, and if they did, they wouldn't be sane when they left.

Aug-26-09  lzromeu: Shocking game

The final board remember a man-to-man in basketball play

Aug-26-09  meth0dSNK: the pizza at chuck-e cheese is amazing i was like 5 and i still remember it
Aug-26-09  johnlspouge: < <YouRang> wrote: [snip] Chuck E. Cheese [snip] No sane adults go there to dine, and if they did, they wouldn't be sane when they left. >

I'll take that as a compliment ;>)

Aug-26-09  WhiteRook48: check every check and capture
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  eternaloptimist: <YouRang: Very noisy! No sane adults go there to dine, and if they did, they wouldn't be sane when they left.> lol :D Yes, I agree YouRang. Also, if u bring kids in there, it's difficult to get them out of there. They love that place. <WhiteRook48: check every check and capture> That's great advice. I learned that from a guy who used to be a teacher @ The University of Southern Mississippi. He used to play in chess trnts. & was 1 of the guys in charge of the chess club there. I used that advice ever since he told me that way back in the late 1980s. Which book did that axiom come out of anyway?
Aug-27-09  LoveThatJoker: <OneArmedScissor: Why not 25...Qxg4?>

Hi OneArmedScissor, I used Fritz 11 to analyze these lines and this is what came up after 25...Qxg4

25... Qxg4 Fritz 11: 26. Nd5 h3 27. g3 Rac8 28. Kh2 Rfe8 29. Qc3 Kh7 30. Nf3 Re6 31. Nf4 Rf6 32. Nxh3 Rb8 33. Nfg5+ Kg7 34. f3 Qh5 35. e5 dxe5 36. Rxe5 Qh8 37. Kg2 Rd8 38. Ne4 Kf8 39. Nhf2 Qh7

(39... Re6 40. Rd5 Qxc3 41. Rxd8+ Ke7 42. Rd7+ Ke8 43. Nxc3 Rxc6 44. Rd3; 39... Rf5 40. Re8+)

40. Qc5+ Kg7 41. Nxf6 Nxf6 42. Re7 Rh8 43. Qe5 Qh2+ 44. Kf1 Qh5 45. Qxc7



Nov-09-09  Plato: <meth0dSNK: you guys are all nubz.. grischuks first mistake was 9. Nh5>

<meth0dSNK: 9... Ne8 is better for Grischuk.>

Nope. Grischuk's move 9...Na5 is the main line, having been played in nearly 3000 games between masters or better. It's been played twice by Kasparov himself, not to mention Topalov, Ivanchuk, Radjabov, Ponomariov, Shirov, Gelfand... the list goes on.

9...Ne8, by contrast, ,has never been played by a 2700+ player. It was played once by Radjabov when he was still 2680. It also scores worse for Black, statistically.

Why? 9...Nh5 exerts pressure on the f4 square and the knight will want to go there in many lines. From e8 the knight does nothing.

<meth0dSNK> I know how you claim you're playing at a high 2700 level and all, but anyway, hopefully this helps you get your rating to 2000.

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