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Etienne Bacrot vs Teimour Radjabov
Elista Grand Prix (2008), Elista RUS, rd 2, Dec-15
English Opening: Great Snake Variation (A10)  ·  0-1

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Dec-15-08  percyblakeney: Radjabov's 12th black win in 2008, two each against Bacrot, Aronian and Gelfand. The endgame looks like a draw up until 65. f4, but Bacrot was in time trouble and eventually the mistake came.
Dec-15-08  DRINELLE: radja will soon be world champ!!!!!!!!
Dec-15-08  shaikh123: DRINELLE: radja will soon be world champ!!!!!!!!I am agreed.
Dec-16-08  ajile: Maybe after Carlsen.
Dec-16-08  ajile: BTW this isn't a King's Indian Attack. It's an English opening.
Dec-16-08
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  jessicafischerqueen: <ajile>

It is in fact a <King's Indian Attack>.

As opposed to a <KID>.

Arising out of a move order that does indeed suggest an <English formation>=

<c5>, <...e5>, both King Bishops Fianchettoed--

Dec-17-08  ajile: In a King's Indian Attack White plays an early e4 just like the reverse position in a King's Indian Defense where Black plays ..e5.

Since White never plays e4 this can't be a King's Indian Attack by definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King's...

Dec-17-08
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  jessicafischerqueen: <ajile> quite right.

Well I knew it wasn't a <KID>, but so did you obviously.

Why not post on <CG.com> page and ask them to clear up the mystery?

I'm a little unclear on the method used to name the openings in our database.

You'll notice the <reti> is listed as the most popular opening, but it transposes normally - and early- to an opening with another name.

So how do they decide at what point in a transposition to change the name of an opening?

Dec-17-08
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  Mateo: 30.Nxd5 is an example of a sophisticated tactical move which isn't as good as a simple one. 30.Rxa8 was much better. After 30...Rxa8 31.Qb7! and 32.Nxe4 Bacrot would have a slight edge (better pawn structure).
Dec-17-08
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  Domdaniel: <Jess, ajile> This is an English, all right. As you say, the KIA requires e4 by white. I'd call this either a King's English, Closed Variation or an English-vs-KID. [A10] maybe.

Current fashion seems to be to call 1.Nf3 a Zukertort Opening rather than a Reti. But it almost always transposes, maybe to several different openings in turn -- eg 1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 g6 etc, which starts as a Zukertort (Sicilian invitation), becomes a Symmetrical English, and can wind up as a Maroczy Bind Sicilian if white plays e4.

It's impossible to be completely systematic. Usually I'd rather know the opening finally arrived at.

Dec-17-08  ajile: <jessicafischerqueen>

I'm not sure why they make these mistakes in naming openings. Maybe there are just too many games coming in to verify them. Plus the fact that many openings transpose which means it would be necessary to play through the first 10 or so moves to really see what opening it ends up being.

As Domdaniel said this basic opening is arrived at quite frequently with 1.Nf3. The idea being that White diguises his intentions as long as possible so he can take advantage of Black's setup. Since 1.Nf3 isn't a pawn move it retains quite a bit of flexibility for White.

The strategy of this opening in a broad sense is similar to our current World Vs GMAN game where Arno has built a rock solid position but not very dynamic. The idea is for White to safely get to the middlegame and then hopefully outplay his opponent strategically.

The other interesting White opening is the so called Queen's Gambit Declined Positional Exchange variation which was featured a few days ago. Again White plays solidly but somewhat slowly as in this game:

Kherdekar Saurabh vs garg Divya, 2008

I couldn't find the game they used a few days ago but this one has the same basic setup for White. White has the half open c file and his dark squared bishop outside the pawn chain. It's basically a London System with c4 and cxd5 thrown in.

Dec-22-08  zatara: what's wrong with 29.Ra8 first?

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