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Alon Greenfeld vs John P Redmond
Irish Championship (2008), Dublin IRL, rd 9, Jul-13
Zukertort Opening: Queen's Gambit Invitation (A04)  ·  1-0

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Jan-19-10
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  patzer2: <lost in space: My impression is that white is already better after 8. Nd4> I agree, as 7...O-O = is probably where Black needs to search for the first improvement. However, given the situation, 8...Qc8 or 8...Bc5 are still better than 8...O-O??
Jan-19-10
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  patzer2: Black's attempt at creative opening play makes me wonder if this player is Professor John Redmond described at http://www.liv.ac.uk/poetryandscien....
Jan-19-10  ChessKnightsOfLondon: Pawn d6 appears to win a piece for a pawn. Hope that is the best move, but should prove enough for victory. It seems most obvious.
Jan-19-10
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  kevin86: A fork that leads to another fork.

"If you see a Fork in the road,take it":Lawrence Peter Berra

Jan-19-10  zanshin: Although I saw <9.d6> because I was looking for it, <8...0-0> is a "very poor move" that I can see myself playing.
Jan-19-10  Halldor: I got this rather quickly because it's Tuesday and I was expecting some easy tactics. Very useful puzzle.
Jan-19-10  YouRang: Paradoxically, the thing that can make a pawn so valuable is the fact that it's not very valuable.

After 9.d6, the light squared bishops are facing each other, but black's is both unguarded and pinned, so he has little choice but 9...Bxg2.

But white has 10.dxe7, which is zwischenzug because the pawn now attacks black's queen, thus forcing 10...Qxe7 11.Kxg2.

Black is lost because he only got a pawn in exchange for his dark-squares bishop.

Jan-19-10  Riverbeast: Whoops!
Jan-19-10
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  fm avari viraf: To be candid, I was just working on 9.dxe6 & 9.Nxe6 but soon realised that 9.d6 brings the curtains down.
Jan-19-10  jsheedy: 9. d6 jumped out at me, but only after various captures at e6 and f5 didn't seem to lead to anything. I quickly saw that 9. d6 would win at least a bishop for a pawn, and that should be enough.
Jan-19-10  jsheedy: An interesting try after 8. Nd4 is 8...Nc5, 9. b4, Nce4. Comments?
Jan-19-10  njchess: This game was played in the final round of the 2008 Irish Championship, and the win guaranteed GM Greenfield at least a tie for first place along side GM Baburin. What a way to win!
Jan-19-10  Marmot PFL: <njchess> Bit too much of the local malt before the last round evidently.
Jan-19-10  cyclon: 9.d6 wins a piece.
Jan-19-10  whiteshark: 9.d6 wins a piece. Blunder lurks around every move.
Jan-19-10  DarthStapler: Got it easily
Jan-19-10  The Famous Chess Cat: To those in confusion of what a Zukertort Opening is, I dedicate this to message to you.

The Zukertort opening is 1.Nf3, as the King's Pawn Opening is 1.e4, and the Queen's Pawn Opening is 1.d4.

Of course, no one ever really sees a King's Pawn Opening. They only see The Ruy Lopez(Spanish Game), Giucco Piano, Sicilian Defense, etc. They all are still technically King's Pawn Openings though. And the Reti Opening *is* a Zukertort Opening. Only, it's more than that.

In specific, the Reti Opening is "1.Nf3,d5 2.c4" with the intent of fianchettoing the king's bishop.

So yes, since this game starts with 1.Nf3, it is a Zukertort Opening (named for the very last unofficial world champion, Johannes Zukertort).

Hope I cleared something up for the couple of people in confusion.

Jan-19-10
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  Domdaniel: A Zukertort opening is simply 1.Nf3, usually with a subsequent d4 - as played by Zukertort in the 19th century. The Reti, strictly speaking, is 1.Nf3 followed by c4, and the King's Indian Attack is 1.Nf3 with the aim of e4. But the plot thickens depending on Black's response: this starts as an English Defence (...e6 & ...b6) but turns into a Dutch when ...f5 is played. I'd call this a Dutch.

I won a game last weekend OTB with that d6 trick, but it came on move 15 and led to mate.

Jan-19-10  MaxxLange: < Zukertort> thanks for the information

I'd call this a Dutch, too, if I had to pick

Jan-19-10  SamAtoms1980: This game reminds me of my Benoni disaster during my short stay on ICC:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e6 4.Nc3 Be7? 5.d6 Bf8 6.Nf3 Nc6?? 7.Nb5 1-0

Jan-19-10  WhiteRook48: that was funny- even weirder is i didn't look for d6
Jan-19-10  PeterB: Any class B player should have seen 9.d6 almost immediately. But Black was a 2200 player!?
Jan-19-10  turbo231: I took me 2 hours to see d6 and another 2 minutes to figure it out. I need help. But i'm proud that i didn't give up.
Jan-19-10  whitebeach: <Caissas Clown: I think black's 4th is an awful move.

It seems Mr. Redmond was attempting to play an Owen-cum-Dutch-Hedgehog. Concocted hybrid openings invite disaster . I speak from bitter experience !>

I think you're right. The more I looked at this, the more it looked like a Dutch that wasn't really a Dutch, but maybe black's idea of some kind of innovation that didn't work out. As a player who has used the Dutch fairly often, though, I know what you mean about "bitter experience." The Dutch in its major forms gives black great counterpunching chances, but if you try to mix-and-match it with other opening themes . . . well, something like this game can happen.

Jan-20-10
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  Domdaniel: < But Black was a 2200 player!?> 2200 players commit blunders too - just not sufficiently often against me. One recurring mistake is to opt for an offbeat opening system against GMs, in fear of the grandmaster's greater theoretical knowledge. The error lies in forgetting that the GM's knowledge of theory is underpinned by an even stronger strategic and tactical arsenal - so that if somebody loses the thread in an offbeat position, it won't be the GM.

We're supposed to play the board, not the opponent - but hardly anyone really does. Psychology is huge in chess, at all stages of the game. A couple of times I've been given good tactical chances by masters, but chickened out on the grounds that they couldn't possibly have missed it, so it must be my fault for missing something deeper.

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