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| Jul-02-08 | | Xenon Oxide: <slomarko: oh the surprise: a 22 moves draw.> In case you are too lazy to follow this game carefully and on a move-by-move basis, this is a hard fought draw, with both sides spending more than an hour and a half. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | jhoro: this is a brilliant game. someone should finance another match between these two chums |
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| Jul-02-08 | | jhoro: <slomarko: oh the surprise: a 22 moves draw.> don't be too generous. the last 3 moves were repetition |
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| Jul-02-08 | | acirce: <Mateo> Indeed. Too many people will probably look away from the game as "just another boring short draw". Actually, I would go on and say chess in general on this level is so rich and full of ideas everywhere, with almost every single non-forced move having its subtle points, that pretty much <any> game is well worth looking at. A 20-move draw just as well as a 45-move win. Maybe not in the rare case that the former game is one that does not leave theory that you already know everything about, but otherwise. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | Ulhumbrus: The wildest flights of fantasy lead to conclusions which cause the players to choose moves which comprise a boring draw. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | Abejorral: The expected result, a short draw between these two draw masters. I still remember the draw-match these two played, after a 14 move draw both leave the chairs with a big smile, pathethic. Thats why Dortmund is boring, take out Drewko and Drawmnik, and see how interesting it will go. |
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 | | tpstar: <Abejorral> You are definitely one of the most consistent kibitzers on this site. =) This game was better than it looked. White sacrificed a Pawn in the opening, and then it was a question of how best to win it back. So they both chose the best/safest continuation, and thus an early draw. I completely agree about Brissago 2004. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | Abejorral: It seemed interesting, and i was as a matter of fact, but come one, they ended in move 22?? 19 moves and its done by draw??
These two are chickens, and such a short game with posibilities in play CANT be interesting |
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| Jul-02-08 | | Hot Logic: <tpstar> are you kidding me? Brissago 2004 was pretty hardcore as far as matches go, with Leko pulling ahead by +2 early and Kramnik retaining the title by the skin of his teeth winning the final game with the black pieces. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | slomarko: <A 20-move draw just as well as a 45-move win.> legendary |
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| Jul-02-08 | | cannibal: <Hot Logic: Brissago 2004 was pretty hardcore as far as matches go, with Leko pulling ahead by +2 early> Ummm... yeah... That was not how Brissago went. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | square dance: <hot logic> leko only ever had a +1 lead in the match and kramnik won the last game on the white side of a caro-kann, advance. as for brissago...it was a match of highs and lows. its a shame certain people focus on the lows. for the reputations kramnik and leko have you'd think that 4 decisive games would've been a pleasant surprise. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | Abejorral: <A 20-move draw just as well as a 45-move win.> Pathetic defence of the most sick and blind Kramnik fan of all. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | Bobsterman3000: <abejorral> Once again, you are right on the money with your comments... |
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| Jul-02-08 | | jaybugg13: I have to agree with "acirce" here. This was a great chessic struggle, why do we discount the jouney because the result was indecisive? To me it seems only appreciating the games in which someone prevails maybe a little too material. Consider if we were in Leko shoes, in the moment from 1.d4 and fighting to a draw...it would be a fantastic experience. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | ravel5184: Well young Kramnik disappointed us again ... |
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| Jul-02-08 | | arnaud1959: Many players would sacrify material but try to recover it asap if they don't see a clear continuation. Some others would continue the whole game without trying to recover anything. I would put Kramnik in the first category most of the time. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | Abejorral: I still remember the famous Kramnik quote:
The break point in my career was when i realized that white no longer has to look for a win, that should steer for equality. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | Voltaic: <A 20-move draw just as well as a 45-move win.> yeah, that was a really memorable quote, but well guys take it easy, when one really loves someone, nothing else matters, after all, love is blind, isn't? besides i think the whole tournament is experiencing general drawing symptoms, let's see how this ends |
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| Jul-02-08 | | Softpaw: <Abejorral: I still remember the famous Kramnik quote: The break point in my career was when i realized that white no longer has to look for a win, that should steer for equality.> Source for this quote, please. |
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| Jul-02-08 | | Voltaic: <Softpaw> i guess he's modifying Fischer's quote: "The turning point in my career came with the realization that Black should play to win instead of just steering for equality." which coincidently or lamentably, applies inversely to Kramnik's black strategy |
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| Jul-02-08 | | THE pawn: <Abejorral> You don't have to copy/paste over and over again your posts. We got your point :) |
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| Jul-03-08 | | maxfrank: "The break point in my career was when at last I realized that white should not be disturbed by the obligation to win, but should maintain his balance." "The turning point in my career came with the realization that Black should play to win instead of just steering for equality." Not inconsistent. Verbum sap sat. Ad sapientes punctae. Keene on Game 14 of Brisago: "...only the third time in the entire history of the World Championship that the defending champion has saved his titled by winning in the final game." |
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| Jul-05-08 | | SetNoEscapeOn: <maxfrank>
Isn't it really only the second? Kasparov did it against Karpov. Karpov won the last game against Korchnoi in 1978, but the score was tied- it was not a must win situation. Am I missing one? |
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| Jul-05-08 | | acirce: Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910 |
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