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| Mar-01-08 | | chessmoron: <<sigfreud>: <Worst game ever. But Carlsen fans happy.> Lol. Just love how you and other morons - probably rated around 1400 - keep commenting these super GM games like you would've crushed'em all. The lack of humility seems almost psychotic.> Lol. Just love how you and other morons - probably rated around nothing but watch chess as a spectator - keep commenting these super GM games like you would see a 'defeat' as a GREAT GAME. Idiot! |
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| Mar-01-08 | | Jim Bartle: Lo, whosoever dares to challenge the infinite wisdom of the kibitzers shall be hurled into the lair of the fearsome and remorseless slomarko. |
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| Mar-01-08 | | sallom89: this is a video of this game, i found it amazing.. at a moment i felt Shirov will slap Carlsen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYE7... |
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| Mar-01-08 | | whiteshark: <sallom89:> Shirov looked really surprised as if he couldn't believe what happened in the last 10 seconds before... :D |
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| Mar-01-08 | | cannibal: <chessmoron>
REALLY living up to your name again, aren't ya?
<sallom89>
Very interesting video.
Especially surprising that Shirov held that king on the fatal e5-square for like 2 or 3 seconds before releasing it, but still didn't see it. |
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| Mar-01-08 | | chessmoron: I don't feel this is a good game to be praise on. You might want to try Carlsen's win over Aronian---a 1 million times better. |
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| Mar-01-08 | | cannibal: Well, nobody said it was the greatest game in the tournament. All I heard was protest against it being "the worst game ever". |
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| Mar-01-08 | | unsound: Thanks for the video--<cannibal> yes, it looks as though Shirov didn't realize anything was up until Carlsen picked up a queen. Is there any one of us that can't identify with Shirov at the end? Nice of Carlsen to remain po-faced. |
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| Mar-01-08 | | notyetagm: <tarlan13: Carlsen is a very lucky player like Italy in football.> Carlsen is a super-strong tactician and always has more time on his clock because he is so talented that he moves faster than his opponents. I believe that a lot of Carlsen's "luck" comes from outplaying his opponent's in complications when they get into time trouble. Carlsen won both of his Black games against Ivanchuk at Linares 2007 and 2008 in this manner, Ivanchuk's better position falling apart in time trouble. And like Capablanca said, a good player is always lucky. I take that to mean that a good player always has his pieces well-placed to exploit a mistake by the opponent and is alert to his opponent's error. |
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| Mar-01-08 | | Eyal: Regarding the option of 37...Bc7! which I mentioned in my previous post, I should point out that it works because of the exposed position of the white king - 38.Rxc7? would lose to 38...Qa8+ 39.Kh2 Re1 and white has to give up his rook with 40.Rc8+; 38.Qa7 allows black to force a draw with 38...Qd8! 39.Rxc7 Qd5+ 40.Kh2 Qd8 41.Kh3 Qd3+ 42.Kh2 Qd8 etc. |
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| Mar-01-08 | | Eyal: Position after 25…Rfd8:
click for larger viewA nice tactical point is that the immediate 26.Bxd5 cxd5 27.Rxd5 Rxd5 28.Qxc8+ fails to 28...Rd8! 29.Qg4 (29.Qxc7 Qg6+ with a quick mate; or 29.Rxc7 Qg6+ and Black has a draw by perpetual: 30.Kf1 Qb1+ 31.Kg2 Qe4+ 32.f3 Qe2+ etc.) 29...Qc6! 30.b3 f3 with a good position for Black. However, 26.Rd3! as played by Carlsen pretty much forces 26…g6 (to defend against Rh3), blocking the 6th rank for the black queen, and as a result the combination beginning with Bxd5 becomes sound. But later, after 29…Kg7, Carlsen avoided the apparently winning 30.Rxc7 – according to the post-game interview (linked a few posts above), he thought that 30…Qg5+ 31.Kf1 Rd1+ 32.Ke2 Qg1 would draw. Seems that he overlooked the resource 33.Rxf7+! which should lead, after some 10 more moves, to a won queen endgame… (see analysis at http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...) |
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| Mar-01-08 | | notyetagm: White to play: 73 ? (after 72 ... ♔f6-e5)
click for larger viewWhite (Carlsen) played 73 ♖c6-c1!.
Position after 73 ♖c6-c1!
click for larger view73 ♖c6-c1! is a nice example of the <REMOVE THE GUARD> tactic. 73 ♖c6-c1! <ATTACKS THE DEFENDER> of the <LOOSE> b8-promotion square, the Black b1-rook. The White rook attacks the Black b1-rook defender from the c1-square, a square to which the Black b1-rook defender cannot go without abdicating its responsibility to <DEFENDING> the b8-promotion square. That is, the Black b1-rook cannot leave the b-file (the <DEFENSIVE COMPLEX>) without allowing the White b7-passer to promote, i.e., 73 ... ♖b1x♖c1?? 74 b7-b8=♕+. That the Black b1-rook controls squares -only- along the b-file is a great illustration of what Weteschnik calls <OBLIGATION RESTRICTS MOBILITY>. <<<The Black b1-rook must <DEFEND> the b8-promotion square and so it does -not- actually control any squares along the first rank; it controls -only- squares along the b-file from which it can continue to <DEFEND> the b8-promotion square.>>> Hence 73 ♖c6-c1! is possible because the Black b1-rook only -pretends- to <DEFEND> the c1-square. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | sallom89: <whiteshark: <sallom89:> Shirov looked really surprised as if he couldn't believe what happened in the last 10 seconds before... :D> poor Shirov :P |
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| Mar-02-08 | | tdurda: according to what i know, shirov resigned at move 79. he did NOT play Ke5. dont know, why this is wrong. obviously nobody knows. |
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| Mar-02-08 | | notyetagm: <tdurda: according to what i know, shirov resigned at move 79. he did NOT play Ke5. dont know, why this is wrong. obviously nobody knows.> I think you are wrong.
The video clearly shows Carlsen reaching out for his new queen while Shirov looks on in astonishment and horror as Magnus places it on the board. Hence I think Shirov really did play the unthinkable blunder 79 ... ♔f6-e5??. |
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| Mar-03-08 | | euripides: This difficult endgame reminds me of a wonderful example by Korchnoi and Karpov: Korchnoi vs Karpov, 1978 |
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| Mar-04-08 | | muharrem: i do not know why people keep saying Carlsen won because Shirov blundered. even though 79th move would be sth like Ke7 or Kf5, Calrsen was coming up with first Ne6 then Nc7, blocking b7 for black bishop. come on people... |
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| Mar-10-08 | | notyetagm: <muharrem: i do not know why people keep saying Carlsen won because Shirov blundered. even though 79th move would be sth like Ke7 or Kf5, Calrsen was coming up with first Ne6 then Nc7, blocking b7 for black bishop. come on people...> Yes, the idea for Carlsen (White) is to <INTERCEPT> the Black h2-bishop by placing the White knight on c7. Have the endgame experts decided that this endgame is dead lost for Black yet? |
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| Mar-26-08 | | zoat22: < tdurda> are you trying to pretend that Shirov was actually lost to make Carlsen look better or something???? |
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| Jun-13-08 | | notyetagm: <zoat22: < tdurda> are you trying to pretend that Shirov was actually lost to make Carlsen look better or something????> I read Carlsen's notes in New In Chess magazine 2008/3 and I think he said that this endgame is drawn with best play by Black. Of course 79 ... ♔f6-e5??, <BLOCKING> the Black h2-bishop from <DEFENDING> the b8-promption square of the White b7-passer, was not the "best play by Black" that Carlsen was expecting. |
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| Mar-11-09 | | shahjinan: worst game ....as Carlsen was just waiting for him to blunder...and he did in the end... |
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| Sep-07-10 | | notyetagm: Game Collection: Do not *INTERCEPT* your own line pieces! Shirov vs Kramnik, 2010
click for larger view37 ... ♘d5-e7?? <intercept: d6>
click for larger view38 ♘e4-d6+ 1-0
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Carlsen vs Shirov, 2008
click for larger view79 ... ♔f6-e5?? <intercept: b8>
click for larger view80 b7-b8=♕ 1-0
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| Feb-02-11 | | notyetagm: Game Collection: DO *NOT* INTERCEPT YOUR OWN LINES PIECES! Carlsen vs Shirov, 2008 79 ... Kf6-e5?? blocks the Black h2-bishop from b8-promotion sq |
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| Oct-10-11 | | notyetagm: Game Collection: DRAWBACK CHESS: CLOSING LINES: INTERCEPTING YOUR |
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| Aug-05-13 | | notyetagm: Carlsen vs Shirov, 2008 79 ♖c5-c6+ <double attack: f6 (check), e6 (support)>
click for larger view<muharrem: i do not know why people keep saying Carlsen won because Shirov blundered. even though 79th move would be sth like Ke7 or Kf5, <<<Carlsen was coming up with first Ne6 then Nc7, blocking b8 for black bishop.>>> come on people...> (VARIATION)
79 ... ♔f6-f5 80 ♘d8-e6 Δ ♘e6-c7
click for larger view80 ... ♖b1-b2 81 ♘e6-c7 <<interpose: h2->b8@c7+c6,c8>
click for larger viewCarlsen's <PIECE COORDINATION> in this line is just fabulous. The White c6-rook is just stupendously placed. First the White c6-rook <SUPPORTS> the White d8-knight moving to e6. Then the White c6-rook <SUPPORTS> the White e6-knight going to the c7-sq to <BLOCK THE GUARD LINE> of the Black h2-bishop, <CUTTING OFF> this critical <DEFENDER> by <BREAKING COMMUNICATION> with the b8-promotion square. Beautiful, beautiful <PIECE COORDINATION>. |
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