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| Sep-14-08 | | ruzomberok: Black can play 4...Nf6 |
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Sep-25-08
 | | Jonathan Sarfati: 4... ♘f6 would avoid an immediate debacle, but after 5. ♘f3, White is a ♙ ahead with a good position besides. |
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| Mar-23-09 | | newzild: I'll have to remember this game - I've faced 3...f5 several times and found it quite awkward. |
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Mar-23-09
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Dumb Question du Jour--does 8...e6 offer any hope for Black? The best I can see is 9.Qg5,Bxh6; 10.Qxg2,Nc6 (c6!?); 11.gxh7 (Bb5!?) and White is still better. |
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| Apr-19-09 | | soberknight: <An Englishman> Yes, your common sense variation looks good for White. 8...e6 then 9.Qg5 Bxh6 10.Qxg2 Nc6 (maybe ...d5 is better) 11.gxh7 (probably better than 11.Bb5 Nxd4) Bc1 (maybe Bf4 is safer, but Black must save the bishop from the fork on Qg6) 12.Qg7 and it's all over. |
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| Apr-19-09 | | soberknight: I'm looking at 12...Nxh7 for Black. I'm sure White still wins, but finding the right way forward is a challenging exercise. |
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| Apr-19-09 | | soberknight: Black picked a good time to resign. White's primary threats are Qc8 mate and Bg6 check, winning the queen. He also has Qb7 winning the rook, but that's almost beside the point. |
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| Jun-03-09 | | arnaud1959: I don't see how white can play after 7.-d6. 8.♕f7+ ♔d7 9.♕xg7 ♘f6 or 8.gxh7 ♗xh1 9.hxg8 ♖xg8 is not clear. |
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| Jun-03-09 | | sneaky pete: <arnaud1959> If 7... d6 8.d5 .. looks very strong (8... Nf6 9.Qe6 Rf8 10.gxh7 ..). |
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| Jun-04-09 | | arnaud1959: <sneaky pete:> I like 8.d5 but your in your line black plays 10.-♕d7. Maybe white should try 9.gxh7 or 9.♗h6 like in the game. |
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| Jun-05-09 | | sneaky pete: <arnaud1959> You're right, but it's worse: after 7... d6 8.d5 Nf6 9.Qe6? Bxd5 refutes my idea completely. I believe I'm not the only one inclined to overlook that kind of backward defensive moves. White may try 9.Ne2 Bxh1 10.Nf4 .. with an unclear position, but a move earlier he should have played 8.gxh7 .. (threat Qf5-g6xg2) 8...Bxh1 9.Qe6 .. with 10.Bg6+ .. or 10.hxg8=Q+. 7... Nf6 8.Bh6 e6 as suggested by <An Englishman> 
click for larger viewwas played in a 1988 correspondence game Udo Ploder vs T. Weber, which continued 9.Qg5 Bxh6 10.Qxg2 Nc6 11.gxh7 Ke7 12.Nf3 Nxh7 13.Nh4 Nf8 14.c3 d5 15.Nf3 Qd6 16.Nbd2 Nd7 17.0-0-0 Rag8 18.Qf1 Kd8 
click for larger view19.Qe2 Rg2 20.Rde1 Re8 21.Bb5 Ndb8 22.Ne5 Rf8 23.Nxc6+ Nxc6 24.Ref1 Na5 25.Kb1 c6 26.Bd3 Bxd2 27.Qxd2 c5 28.h4 cxd4 29.cxd4 Qf4 30.Qxf4 Rxf4 31.h5 Nc4 32.h6 .. 1-0. |
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| Jun-08-09 | | arnaud1959: <sneaky pete> 8.gxh7 seems to be the solution. Thanks for the game. This must be a better defence for Black but it has still not enough compensation for the pawn I think. |
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| Jun-09-09 | | chillowack: Another notable game in this line, played by the brilliant Ukrainian Igor Yagolnitser, saw the following spectacular series of moves unfold: 6...Nf6 7.g7+ Nxh5 8.gxh8=Q Nf6 9.Bxh7 d6 10.Bg6+ Kd7 11.Bg5 Nc6 12.Bf5+ Ke8 13.Bxf6 exf6 14.Qh5+ Ke7 15.Qe2+ Kf7 16.Be6+ Ke7 17.Bd5+ Ne5 18.Bxg2 d5 19.dxe5 fxe5 20.Qxe5+ Kd7 21.Qxd5+ Ke8 22.Qxa8 Ke7 23.Qe4+ Kd7 24.Bh3+ Kd6 25.Qd4+ Ke7 26.Qe5+ Kf7 27.Be6+ Ke7 28.Bd5+ Kd7 29.Qe6#. |
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| Jun-10-09 | | sneaky pete: Hardly notable and not at all brilliant, the refutation of 6... Nf6
is much simpler:
Greco vs NN, 1619 |
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| Jun-10-09 | | chillowack: Oops! My apologies, I accidentally pasted the wrong game. (You're right sneaky pete, the one I posted was not particularly remarkable.) This is the game I had meant to post:
1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Bd3 f5 4.ef Bg2 5.Qh5+ g6 6.fg Bg7 7.gxh7+ Kf8 8.Nf3 Nf6 9.Qg6 Bh1 10.Bh6 Rh7 11.Ng5 Kg8 12.Nh7 Ne8 13.Ng5 Bd5 14.Bg7 Ng7 15.Qh7+ Kf8 16.Qh8+ Bg8 17.Bh7 e6 18.Qg8+ Ke7 19.Qg7+ Kd6 20.Nf7+ Kc6 21.Nd8 Kd6 22.Qf8+ Kd5 23.Nc3+ Kc4 24.Bd3+ Kd4 25.Qf4+ Kc5 26.b4# Rather pleasing king hunt there at the end, and some nice tactics. Thank you for the ...Nf6 refutation, pete! |
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| Jun-11-09 | | arnaud1959: 6.-Nf6 would be a good move for a helpmate puzzle. I even suggest 6.-a6! which is better. |
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Dec-12-12
| | An Englishman: Good Evening: Another amusing variation is 8...0-0; 9.gxh7+,Kh8; 10.Bxg7+,Kxg7; 11.Qg5+ and Black won't even gain the consolation of the Rh1 as the White Queen eats the Bg2 next move. |
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| Mar-10-14 | | fishcat: What's so special about 7.Qf5? A nice simplification for OTB players? Yes, White can complete the bishop trade after 9...e6 10.Qg6+, but then what? Black's ahead in development, presumably the point of this "opening". It's correspondence after all, let's see 7.gxh7+ Kf8 8.Nf3 Nf6 9.Qg6 Bxf3 10.Rg1 Rxh7 11.Be3 and 12.Nd2. Black has three pieces doing the job of three pawns. |
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| Apr-10-14 | | Conrad93: Hardly notable and not at all brilliant, the refutation of 6... Nf6 is much simpler:
Greco vs NN, 1619
6. Bg7 gives the black king enough room to escape from a mate in one. This game is a definite improvement. |
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May-05-14
| | Jonathan Sarfati: <fishcat:>9...e6 10.♕g6+ ♔e7 11. ♕xg2 ♘c6 12. ♘f3, and White is two ♙s up and Black's ♔ is stuck in the centre and his ♔-side is a desert. If 12... ♗c1, then 13. ♕g7+ ♔d6 14. ♘c3 ♗xb2 15. ♘b5# |
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| Jan-19-16 | | Christoforus Polacco: <Jonathan> Exactly mate is one move later :) 15.Nb5+ Kd5 16.c4 mate. Off course, it does not matter. I have found at net that miniature : 1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Bd3 f5?! 4.exf5 Bxg2 5.Qh5+ g6 6.fxg6 Bg7 7.gxh7+ Kf8 8.hxg8=Q+ Kxg8 9.Qg4 Bxh1 10.Bg5!? Not mentioned anywhere but potentially annoying as Black cannot block the Bc4+ with e6.
10... Nc6? 11.Bc4+ Kf8
(11... d5? 12.Qe6+ Kf8 13.Qxc6 dxc4 14.Qxh1 Qxd4?? 15.Qxa8+)
12.Qf5+ Bf6
(12... Ke8?? 13.Qf7#)
13.Qg6 Qe8?? 14.Bh6+! Rxh6 15.Qg8#! |
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| Jan-20-16 | | Christoforus Polacco: From Wikipedia : 8.Bh6!! Bxh6 on 8...Kf8, white wins with 9.Bxg7+ Kxg7 10.gxh7 Bxh1 12.Qg6+ Kf8 13.Qh6+ Kf7 transposing to main line <fishcat> 7.gxh7+ Kf8 8.Nf3 Nf6 9.Qg6 Bxf3 10.Rg1 Rxh7 11.Be3 and 12.Nd2 Better is according with Wiki 11.Qg3 !! - all variants : 7.gxh7+ Kf8 8.Nf3! is also strong: (a) 8...Bxf3? 9.Qxf3+ Nf6 10.Qxa8; (b) 8...Bxh1 9.Ne5 Bxe5 (9...Qe8 10.Ng6+) 10.dxe5 Bd5 11.hxg8=Q+ Kxg8 12.Qg6+ Kf8 13.Bh6+; (c) 8...Nf6 9.Qg6 Bxh1 10.Bh6 Rxh7 (10...Bxh6 11.Qxh6+ Kf7 12.Ng5+) 11.Ng5 Bxh6 12.Nxh7+ Nxh7 13.Qxh6+; or (d) 8...Nf6 9.Qg6 Bxf3 10.Rg1 Rxh7 11.Qg3!! Be4 12.Bxe4 Nxe4 13.Qf3+ Kg8 14.Qxe4 Nc6 (14...d5 15.Qe6+ Kh8 16.Nc3) 15.Bf4 with an extra pawn for White. Boris Avrukh also recommends this line, and notes that 13...Nf6 (instead of 13...Kg8) 14.Qxa8 Rxh2 15.Bf4 Rh4 16.Qg2 Rg4 17.Qh2 leaves White "an exchange up with an easily winning position". Watson writes that although 7.Qf5! is the "traditional" refutation and does indeed win, "the analysis is complicated", and Spinhoven's 8.Nf3! "is clearer". |
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| Aug-31-20 | | cegaliano: 7. gxh7+ Kf8 8. Nf3 Nf6 9. Qg6 Bxf3 10. Rg1 Rxh7 11. Qg3 Be4 12. Bxe4 Nxe4 13. Qf3+ Kg8 14. Qxe4 d5 |
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Nov-14-21
 | | GrahamClayton: <soberknight>
I'm looking at 12...Nxh7 for Black. I'm sure White still wins, but finding the right way forward is a challenging exercise.<soberknight>
12...Nh7 13. Bh7 and the threat of 14. Ng5+ looks very hard to stop - 13...e6 14. Ng5+ Qxg5 15. Qxg5 Rxh7 16. Nc3 Rg7 17. Qh5+ Kg8 18. 0-0-0 and while Black had R + B for the Q, his pieces are uncoordinated. |
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May-07-22
| | Jonathan Sarfati: Stockfish 14 prefers the lines by <cegaliano> and <chillowack>, with +4. In the game line, it is +1 after 9... e6 10.Qg6+ Ke7 11.Qxg2 Nc6 12.Nc3. |
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