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| Nov-12-06 | | square dance: <And by the way, <square dance>, Leko's chicken first policy worked real well for him in his 2004 match against Kramnik and at Linares 2006, didn't it?> better than topalov's blunder and cry approach! |
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| Nov-12-06 | | square dance: btw, what does your opinion have to do with name calling? |
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| Nov-12-06 | | notyetagm: <square dance: btw, what does your opinion have to do with name calling?> <square dance: ... in contrast to -jackass- <notyetagm>> Name calling? You should read your own posts.
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| Nov-12-06 | | Ybrevo: Why this meaningless discussion of Lekos many draws? Hasn´t anybody wondered about Aronians choice of opening? His Queen-moves on the kingside seems like a waste of time, and he soon gets into troubles. Normally I love his play, but this time it looks like one big question mark. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | square dance: <Name calling? You should read your own posts.> here we go again with <notyetagm> being too dull to understand whats going on. its pretty clear that i was pointlessly insulting you to mimic your previous post. get it? |
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Nov-12-06
 | | oao2102: <square dance> How is it that you start a fight with someone on every page that I visit? I ask merely for information. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | Confuse: <notyetagm> and <square dance> I agree with <notyetagm> in this argument you guys are having. Probably because I live in America, I believe people are entitled to their opinion. It seems <square dance> responses are designed to instill anger into the kind of person <notyetagm> is. If you're irritated by someone, why do you have to tell them they are irritating? Especially in a forum, where blocking is simple and you can go on your merry way. I'm just a little irritated at seeing someone start a fight and think hes right because its his own opinion is that he is. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | Confuse: Hm, after thinking about it for a while, I suppose it is <square dance>'s right to present his opinion of dislike towards <notyetagm>. I guess I'm neutral on this again. Sorry square dance! See you both in future forums : P |
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| Nov-12-06 | | acirce: This is -exactly- the reason why I dislike Lékó bashers so vehemently. It appears, thanks to <percyblakeney>'s report, he still has this psychological problem with lack of confidence that sometimes leads to him choosing the safe draw haven when he has good winning chances. You may not like it, you could feel sorry about it, you could wish him to overcome the problem so that he might get better results in the future, but no, these idiots are all over him with petty insults and childish attacks. Do you do the same thing with players on your club who agree to draws out of nervosity? Of course, not a word when other players agree to pragmatic draws for whatever reason either. Simply pathetic. These people should seriously realise that they have to grow up. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | nikolajewitsch: Aronian just played the 5.Qc2 line again! Strange..... |
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| Nov-12-06 | | Lt. Col. Majid: <KKDEREK: <acirce> Hes already 27 years old and a professional player, a GM..Lack of confidence? C'mon..Its HIS job. I dont feel sorry for him. Thats about personality. He dont take risks. Hes not an imaginative player im my opinion, dont play with his heart, dont try or improvise different aproaches. I dont wish him to overcome nothing. Hes got everything already, my friend. He just need guts to aply what he knows a lot: Chess. Simple.> It may sound harsh but u r right. Very right indeed.
He has all the tools to work on his shortcoming. That is what professionals do in sports. They work on weaknesses to better themselves.
Leko is actually stronger than most people realise. It is up to him to do what he needs to do. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | acirce: <KKDEREK> Fine but I think you missed my point, I'm simply saying certain people should show some respect and not indulge in the extremely silly practice of attacking and insulting someone just because of the way he plays chess. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | square dance: wow, i guess my point wasnt as obvious as i thought, even after i clarified it! <How is it that you start a fight with someone on every page that I visit? I ask merely for information.> i guess thats called selective reading on your part. maybe now you'll call me a troll. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | alicefujimori: It was a pity that Leko didn't played 27...f4, but if he did had only around a minute left to the time control then I guess it was understandable for him to go for the repetition. But it is true that he does lack confidence and becomes too prudence when he is in decisive situations. Hopefully, he will overcome these weaknesses one day and when that day comes it will be very probable that he will be the one that unseats Kramnik. |
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Nov-12-06
 | | tamar: The trouble with 27...f4 in time trouble is that Aronian would play 28 Nf6+ Kh8 and then choose his defense. Leko would have to find the exact sacrificial line against each, for example: What do you play after 29 Qd3
Do you play 29 Bxf2+ 
click for larger viewor do you play 29 f3 
click for larger viewAnd by the way you now only have 40 seconds left... |
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Nov-12-06
| | tamar: Again let's say you're sitting in Leko's chair facing Aronian. You decide after 27...f4 28 Nf6+ Kh8 29 Qd3 that you are going for broke, and play 29...Bxf2+ 30 Kxf2 f3 31 Bd2 (you saw 31 Qxf3 Qxh2 32 Kf1 Qxe5! but Aronian plays a safer move) 31...Qxh2 32 Kxf3 Qxe5 the same move again 33 Bc3 Rxf6+
34 Kg2 Qg5+ 35 Qg3 Rf2+! 
click for larger viewYou slam the rook down, seeing you are picking up the rook after 36 Kxf2 Qf5+ when you will be two clear pawns up, but your flag falls with 5 moves to make. Moves from Shredder 8 on Deep Analysis mode. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | suenteus po 147: <tamar> You are assuming kibitzers here think it is better to play correctly than to play with abandon. That's why Topalov has so many fans right now. They don't care if Topalov plays correctly or not. They only care that he plays decisively and that he wins more than he loses. Like Morozevich at Biel. Had he drawn three games instead of one, it wouldn't have been as impressive. Those two losses at Carlsen's hands actually <improved> his reputation with kibitzers here since he only had one draw (although it would have been better to lose that game too). |
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| Nov-12-06 | | percyblakeney: Not to underestimate the problems with the position, but when it comes to the clock situation Leko had 39 minutes left at move 24. There was also 30 seconds increment per move, so he had more than 45 minutes to use before the time control, so he would maybe not have needed to get into terrible time trouble. It seems as if this could be Aronian's tournament, this was something of a lucky escape, and against Shirov and Carlsen (maybe also Moro) he won games that seemed to be on the way to draw. |
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Nov-12-06
| | tamar: <percyblakeney> 39 minutes at move 24 is certainly more than 1 minute, so I infer that Leko used up most of his remaining time calculating before going for the final repetition. <suenteus po> Leko probably should have gone for it this time, now that it is established he had 39 minutes to decide. My point to the kibitzers is that it was a very difficult decision, and he wouldn't be able to calculate everything to the end given his time trouble. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | percyblakeney: <tamar> Yep, he used at least 20 minutes analysing the alternatives, and I think he would have gone for it if he had been in more desperate need of a win. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | suenteus po 147: <tamar> I understand your point completely and agree with it personally. But if it had been Topalov he would have played it regardless of the time constraint or difficulty in accurate calculation. |
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| Nov-12-06 | | Hesam7: I dont think that Leko is necessarily winning after 25... f4. White can continue with 26. Nf6+ Kh8 27. Qxf4! Rxf6 28. exf6 Qxd7 29. fxg7+ Qxg7 30. Qe4:
click for larger viewNow Fruit 2.1 gives:
30... Rf8 31. Bf4 Bxf2 32. Kg2 Bd4 33. Bh6 Qxh6 34. Qxd4 Qg7 35. Rd1 g5 36. Kg3 h5 37. Qxg7 Kxg7 38. h3 Rf7 39. Rd5 Kg6 40. Rd6 Rf6 41. Rd7 a5 (eval: -1.08 @ depth 18) Is the resulting rook endgame won for Black?
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| Nov-12-06 | | Hesam7: Moreover White can play:
27... f4 28. Nf6+ Kh8 29. Qd3 Bxf2+ 30. Kxf2 f3 31. Qxf3 Qxh2 32. Kf1 Qxe5 33. Bh6! Qxf6 34. Qxf6 Rxf6 35. Kg1 Nf5 36. Bg5 Re6 37. Rxa7: 
click for larger viewNow Fruit 2.1 gives:
35... Kg8 36. Rd1 h6 37. Bd8 g5 38. Rc7 Rxc7 39. Bxc7 Rc6 40. Be5 Kf7 41. Bc3 h5 42. Rd5 Kg6 43. Kf2 g4 44. a4 (eval: -1.41 @ depth 18) |
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Nov-13-06
| | tamar: If you have time <Hesam 7> ask Fruit for its evaluation of the end position.
I would be interested in seeing if Shredder is more optimistic an engine in general about these tricky endings Examining the last posted line, Shredder concurred with Fruit up to move 36, but then chose a tricky tactical line 27... f4 28. Nf6+ Kh8 29. Qd3 Bxf2+ 30. Kxf2 f3 31. Qxf3 Qxh2 32. Kf1 Qxe5 33. Bh6! Qxf6 34. Qxf6 Rxf6 35. Kg1 Nf5 36. Bg5 So far as in Fruit's analysis, but here Shredder 8 proposes that Black go active in spite of the loss of both wing pawns 36...Rfc6 37 Rxa7 Kg8 38 Rb7 Rc4 39 Bd2 Rg4+ 40 Kh1 Nd6 
click for larger view 41 Rd7 (if 41 Rxb6 Rc5 42 Rb8+ Nc8 and White has no good way to prevent Rh5#) 41...Rc5 42 Rd8+ Kf7 43 Rd7+ Ke6 44 Rxh7 This position Shredder rates as 1.71/19
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| Nov-13-06 | | aragorn69: Very sensible posts by <acirce>, <tamar> and <Hesam>. (Which is very usual of them, I should add ;-)) Looking at games over the internet, I think we should try and refrain from acting like spectators in a Roman circus. Instead of wishing "blood" at all cost (no cost for us, all cost for the gladiators involved), we should rather enjoy the endless complexity of chess and express our respect for the talent and genial creativity of these players. In this respect, the Aronian-Leko game is a case in point, IMHO. |
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