| Oct-13-05 | | suenteus po 147: I have to admit that it's impressive of Morozevich to play openings like the Philidor's, French, and 1.Nc3 (even though it transposed into a Najdorf) and make them work in a tournament with some of the best in the world. He performed much better than I thought him capable of, as guaranteed fourth is nothing to sneeze at :) |
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| Oct-13-05 | | csmath: Anand strike was expected here. He spent long time to decide on strike 19. Bxh7 (21 minutes)
This was sound and solid.
Then the moment came for 23rd move. Assuming Anand has already seen the forced draw with 23. Rff3 he spends 33 minutes
while everybody was waiting for his decision. The expectation was risky but a way to try to win - 23. Qg6! but
Anand makes 23. Rff3. Draw ...
Vishy plays beautiful, elegant chess, he himself is an elegant gentleman but something is a miss! |
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| Oct-13-05 | | csmath: To compare, for his decisive move against Kasim today, 35. ... Reg3!, Topalov spent only 5 minutes. He could not possibly see everything but he struck anyway. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | cygoh9: Sorry,but i cant see a draw here,could anyone explain to me? |
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| Oct-14-05 | | tpstardefender: <csmath> How can anand "try to win" after 23.Qg6? |
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| Oct-14-05 | | csmath: Believe me, it is a sheer madness. I did not save analyses I was doing during the game but couple of us on ICC using various engines got to the same conclusion that there would be a totally open position with exchange of blows and a minimal advantage to white. It could have ended in a draw as well but it would have been much bloodier/merrier for the audience. To give Anand credit he had about 15 minutes left at that 23rd move so it was hard to play precisely (Moro had more than 40 minutes). |
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| Oct-14-05 | | tpstardefender: I think anand had 13 minutes. So, a draw was pretty smart decision. But still it's very strange to see anand behind on the clock. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | csmath: Well, he was apparently very hesitant of taking the course the game went. Striking Moro and knowing it might hit him back to lose a second game to Moro on the tournament would not be a good feeling for him. Perhaps if he was 10 years younger he would have done that easier. I think he is just getting older. Still this is a pretty game and pretty ending as it is. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | rdwsusanto: fritz say :
22...b4
23.Rff3 bxa3!
24. b3 (if 24.Rfg3 axb2+) a2
25.Nxa2 Na3
26.c3
and so on also will give about equality though game itself is very complex. Bravo Moro for playing good French game. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | Ulhumbrus: An alternative to 19 Bxh7+ is 19 Rf3 first. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | Ulhumbrus: 14 a3 disturbs the queen side pawns.14 Qe1 clears d2 for Bd2 unpinning the N without making this concession. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | Ulhumbrus: 23 Qg6 follows Reti's recommendation: get the queen behind the rook even if it costs three tempi (in this case the three tempi spent on Qg6, Rh7 and Qh5).The point of 23 Qg6 is that Black's queen is tied to the defence of the Bc5 and leaves the bishop en prise if she goes to e8. On 23 Qg6 Qe8 (to answer the the threat Rh7 followed by Qh5) 24 Qxh7+ Kf7 25 Bxc5 regains the piece with an extra pawn and the attack continues. Anand may have missed a win here. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | Ulhumbrus: It would have been psychologically difficult to spend no less than three(!) moves on the manoeuvre Qg6, Rh7 and Qh5. Besides, the first move, Qg6, leaves the Bd4 en prise.On 23 Qg6 Bxd4 24 Rh7 prepares the move Qh5 which "does nothing". It is not psychologically easy to give the opponent even one free move, let alone give him two- and a bishop into the bargain. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | csmath: Here it goes.
It takes about 30 seconds after
23. Qg6
for both Shredder 9 and Fritz 9 to find the only alternative that would be acceptable for the further fighting: 23. ... Rb7
(Ulhumbrus, 23. ... Bxd4? leads to a mate in 11)
24. Bxc5 (again the concensus between Fritz 9 and Shredder 9 is that this is the only move) 24. ... Qxc5
25. Rh7 ...
This is where the game has two possible different moves but they lead to the same position 25. ... Qe3
26. Kb1 ... Nxe5
27. fxe5 ... Qxe5
A brief check on the material is that black has a pawn more but the white has a compensation. Now again both Fritz 9 and Shredder 9 agree to the same continuation 28. Qh5 ... g6
29. Qxg6 ... Rg7
30. Rxg7 ... Qxg7
31. Qh5
This is now a crucial position for the evaluation of 23. Qg6. My gut feeling is that it is uncertain. :-)) Black has central pawn avalanche but also unsafe king. Possible continuation (by no means unique): 31. ... d4
32. Ne2 ... e5
33. Re1 ... Be6
34. Ng3 ... f4
35. Rxe5 ... Bg4
36. Qg5 ... fxg3
37. Qxg7 ... Kxg7
38. Rg5 ... Kf6
39. Rxg4 ... gxh2
40. Rh4
and draw almost certain.
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| Oct-14-05 | | Cyphelium: <Ulhumbrus> On 23. ♕g6, black seems to be doing fine after 23.- ♖f7.
Now 24. ♖h7 ♗xd4 25. ♕h5 ♔f8 looks alright for black: 26. ♖h8+ ♔e7 27. ♕h4+ ♖f6 28. exf6+ ♗xf6 and black wins (♘xb2 coming) though maybe white has something stronger. Also interesting is 24. ♖h8+ ♔xh8 25. ♕xf7, but here white loses to 25.- ♖b7 26. ♕h5+ ♔g8 and it's hard to justify the piece sac. For example 27. ♖f3 ♖f7 28. ♖h3 ♔f8. Another try is 24. ♖ff3 ♗xd4 25. ♖h8+ ♔xh8 26. ♕xf7 with the threat ♖h3+, though after 26.- ♗e3+ 27. ♔d1 (27. ♔b1 ♘d2+ and ♘xf3) 27.- ♘xb2+ 28. ♔e2 ♕c4+ 29. ♔e1 ♕xc3+, black has at the very least a perpetual. Or I guess he just wins after 30. ♔f1 ♕c4+ 31. ♔e1 ♗xf4. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | csmath: In retrospect I think Anand's decision was correct. At this point I do not see any advantage in this variation while given his time on the clock it would not have been prudent to try the above. Moro played a good game. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | csmath: <On 23. Qg6, black seems to be doing fine after 23. ... Rf7.> No it doesn't at all. 23. ... Nxd5!
and black is almost certainly lost!
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| Oct-14-05 | | Cyphelium: <csmath> I guess arguing against the combined forces of Fritz and Shredder is futile; still, could you provide some variations? (I considered that sac but couldn't make it work for white.) |
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| Oct-14-05 | | csmath: I'll repeat. The most crucial evaluation of 23. Qg6 is the position after 31st move of white, as I outlined above. If there is an advantage available there then Anand should have tried 23. Qg6. If not or if it is even (probably) then he made the right decision not to. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | csmath: <I guess arguing against the combined forces of Fritz and Shredder is futile; still, could you provide some variations? (I considered that sac but couldn't make it work for white.)> Ok:
24. ... Qxd5
25. Qh7 ... Kf8
26. Bxc5 ... Qxc5
27. Qh8 ... Ke7
this was all forced for black
28. Rd1
Now both Fritz and Shredder are giving the winning advantage. I'll go only through one line: 28. ... Bb7
28. Qxb8 ... Qc8
29. Qa7! ... Ke8
30. Rdd3! ...
hopeless. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | csmath: b3 and Kb2 is to follow to displace the knight and black will be executed shortly. |
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| Oct-14-05 | | Ulhumbrus: If 23 Qg6 leads to no more than a draw, this suggests alternatives to 19 Bxh7+ or earlier, one alternative being 19 Rf3 instead of 19 Bxh7+. However after 23 Qg6 does Black in fact save himself? Taking some of the variations given, on 23 Qg6 Rb7 24 Rh7 (instead of 24 Bxc5 given by Shredder and Fritz 9) 24...Bxd4 25 Qh5 sets up the mating formation. The exchange 24 Bxc5 draws the black queen on to the g1-a7 diagonal, giving her access to the point e3. |
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| Jan-14-14 | | nummerzwei: 19. Bxh7+ reflects the same approach as the more famous 23.Qd2 in Anand vs Adams, 2005: Anand agrees to exhaust his attacking resources all at once. This leads to a forced draw in either case, but accurate defence is required, giving White practical chances. |
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| Nov-26-16 | | Captain Hindsight: <Ulhumbrus: Taking some of the variations given, on 23 Qg6 Rb7 24 Rh7 Bxd4 25 Qh5 sets up the mating formation.> But after 24...Qe8! you would puff up your cheeks. |
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