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| Oct-05-07 | | Marmot PFL: Found it rather quickly for Friday with Bh4 cutting off the king's escape. Unusual in that the winner still has to win the ending. |
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| Oct-05-07 | | netlava: lol I stopped calculating after Bh4 |
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| Oct-05-07 | | capabaro07: It took me 15 mts to find 25.....Bh4
Was knocked out to see 26.Rd8+ I wonder if Schmidt saw this in advance? |
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| Oct-05-07 | | xrt999: Black's advantage going into the end game is 0.94 according to CM at move 32. So, after a series of exchanges and 7 moves later, black has a pawn advantage going into the endgame. I think that is the real solution. I dont think solving the puzzle is just Bh4 threatening mate. |
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| Oct-05-07 | | not yet a patzer: <MostlyAverageJoe: <not yet a patzer> and <moppa>
Rd8+ is not really a desperation move - it gains a tempo that white is sorely missing> <MAJ> I totally agree. I am just trying to think of a different word for "desperate" when a player trades a rook for a tempo, because that, to the uneducated, like myself, sounds pretty extreme. Is this a common technique - trading a piece, especially a rook, for a tempo? |
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| Apr-10-17 | | docbenway: Just saw this game, what grabs me is the use of the black pawns in the ending. |
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| Jul-30-23 | | Brenin: 22 ... Qxd6 is an ingenious way of winning a P and reaching a won endgame, but OTB there's no way I'd take that risk, since 22 ... Kb8 seems just as effective after the obvious 23 Nxb7 Qxb7, with Nxh2 to follow. |
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| Jul-30-23 | | mel gibson: I chose 22...Kb8
Stockfish 16 agrees but it's not really correct: 22. .. Kb8
(22. .. Kb8 (Kc8-b8 Nd6xb7 Qc7xb7
Rd1-d3 Ng4xh2 Bg1xh2 Rh4xh2+ Kh1-g1 Qb7-b6+ Qe2-e3 Qb6-c6 Qe3-e2 Bf6xb2
Nb3-d4 Rh2-h1+ Kg1-f2 Qc6-c5 Qe2-e3 Rh1xf1+ Kf2xf1 Rh8-c8 Kf1-g1 Rc8-c7
) +3.92/45 221)
score for Black +3.92 depth 45
When I force SF to play the game line it says that it's slightly better! 22. .. Qxd6
23. Rxd6
(23. Rxd6 (Rd1xd6 Ng4xh2 Bg1xh2 Rh4xh2+ Kh1-g1 Bf6-h4 Rd6-d8+ Bh4xd8 Nb3-d4 Bd8-b6 c2-c3 Rh8-h3
Rf1-d1 Rh3-h4 Qe2-c2 Rh2xg2+ Qc2xg2 Bb7xg2 Kg1xg2 Rh4xf4 Nd4-f3 Rf4-e4
Kg2-f1 Re4-e3 Nf3-e1 g6-g5 Rd1-c1 Re3-e4 Rc1-c2 g5-g4 Rc2-h2 f7-f5 Ne1-d3
) -5.08/45 242)
score for White -5.08 depth 45. |
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| Jul-30-23 | | Mayankk: Given it's a puzzle and we are under check, the first move we investigate is the daring 22 ... Qxd6 23 Rxd6. Now we have two choices to harass the White King - 23 ... Nxh2 24 Bxh2 Rxh2+ 25 Kg1 or 23 ... Rxh2+ 24 Bxh2 Rxh2+ 25 Kg1. At a first glance none seems to work as Black is down far too much material and White seems to have had the critical a7 - g1 diagonal covered. And the logical way for Black to mate White is to get its dark-squared Bishop to cover this diagonal. As we probe further on the 23 ... Nxh2+ line, we stumble on the seemingly illogical 25 ... Bh4 and the funny mate sequence, 26 Kxh2 Bf2 27 Qh5 Rxh5#. After that it gets easy. White needs to keep throwing material to stave off mate. 26 Rd8+ Bxd8 etc. The deadly Bishop pair and the Rooks on open h file means White has no respite from mate threats. I didn't look further and will count it as a solve. But only because it was a puzzle and the 22 ... Qxd6 seemed like the only puzzlelike solution. No way I would have seen this in a real game. |
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Jul-30-23
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: A nice, normal, healthy 5/7 for the week, missing both weekenders. Completely failed to notice White had Black in check. Sigh. |
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| Jul-30-23 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Because of being insane, the only move that is possible to avoid the check effect highlights a ♕ sacrifice with 22...Qxd6 23. Rxd6. But how to continue? On 23... Nxh2 [24. Bb6 (or similar) Ng4+ 25. Kg1 Rh1#, therefore the capture is again forced] 24. Bxh2 Rxh2+ 25. Kg1 Bh4 (If 26. Kxh2?? Bf2+ 27. Qh5 Rxh5#). In the case of 26. Rf3 Rh1+ 27. Kxh1 Bf2+ 28. Rh3 Rxh3#. Formidable check mate. Hope I'm right. |
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| Jul-30-23 | | Mayankk: The 40 ... f5 zugzwang move by Black, although looks quite pretty, may not be really needed. The simple 40 ... g5 seems to win as well. 41 fxg5 fxg5 and White King can't cover both flanks. 41 f5 is no better. Maybe just a way to rub salt into White's wounds. |
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| Jul-30-23 | | jrredfield: 22 ... Qxd6 jumped out right away. The only other alternative for Black is to move the King, hardly an intriguing escape from check for a Sunday puzzle. The question is what's next. I then after brief thought saw:
23 Rxd6 Nxh2
24 Bxh2 Rxh2+
25 Kg1 Bh4
Here if White doesn't play Rd8+, but some other move, Black threatens 26 ... Rh1+ 27 Kxh1 Bf2+ 28 Qh5 Rxh5# so
26 Rd8+ Bxd8
27 Nd4 Bb6 (pinning the Knight)
28 c3 R8h3
29 Qg4 (gxh3 and White loses his Queen) Bxd4
30 cxd4 Rxg2+
31 Qxg2 (forced) Bxg2
and Black will have a won end game. |
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Jul-30-23
 | | perfidious: The snag for me was visualising the subvariation mentioned by <ConstantImprovement> of: <27.Rd3 Rh1+ 28.Kxh1 Bf2+> mating. |
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Jul-30-23
 | | scormus: A brilliant puzzle! For a while I thought I was going to get it and make 7/7 this week for the first time ever. I considered my OTB choice, 22 ... Kb8, but since it was a puzzle I thought it must be 22 ... Qxd6. It's only playable if one finds 25 ... Bh4 (26 Kxh2 Bf2+ 0-1), which I looked at but unfortunately didn't spend enough time on. Great credit to B for the bold choice which wins despite W's fighting attempt, 26 Rd8+! It must have been obvious to B that 22 ... Kb8 would have retained the advantage |
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| Jul-30-23 | | agb2002: Black has the bishop pair for a bishop, a knight and a pawn. White is going to play Nxb7.
A quick scan yields lines like 22... Qxd6 23.Rxd6 Nxh2 24.Bxh2 Rxh2+ 25.Kg1 Bh4 26.Kxh2 Bf2+ 27.Qh5 Rxh5#. Or 26.g3 Rxe2 27.gxh4 Rg2+ 28.Kh1 Rxh4#.
Or 26.Rf3 Rh1+ 27.Kxh1 Bf2+ 28.Rh3 Rxh3#.
Or 24.Bf2 Nf3+ 25.Bxh4 Rxh4#.
Or 24.Rd3 Nf3+ 25.Bh2 Rxh2#.
I'd probably play 22... Qxd6. |
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| Jul-30-23 | | stacase: I missed 25...Bh4 but I'm pleased to get that far on a Sunday even though those first several moves were as obvious as the proverbial North end of a south bound goat. However, you do have to notice that Black's first move is to get out of check (-: |
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| Jul-30-23 | | goodevans: The best Sunday puzzles have surprising moves against which there are multiple defences to consider. This one has neither. A truly disappointing Sunday puzzle to go with today's equally disappointing GOTD. Let's hope the final round of the British Championship (2023), which has just got underway, gives us something to get our teeth into. |
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| Jul-30-23 | | parch2: Went with 22...Kb8? first, 23.N:b7 N:h2
24.B:h2 R:h2+ 25.Kg1 Bh4 26.Rd3
With 22...Q:d6 23.R:d6 N:h2 24.B:h2 R:h2+ 25.Kg1 Bh4 26.Rd3 Rh1+ 27.K:h1 Bf2+ 28.Qh5 (28.Rh3 R:h3# ) 28...R:h5+ 29.Rh3 R:h3# |
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Jul-30-23
 | | chrisowen: I've na knight quosh its warp Qxd6 its a bath its lithe doh its axiom jug its aif its sufi Qxd6 ear; |
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Jul-30-23
 | | Honza Cervenka: 16...0-0-0 was quite optimistic and after 17.a4 black would be in serious troubles. |
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| Jul-30-23 | | vajeer: I felt this was a notch lower than insane level. And what was more satisfying was to see that SF didn't find it ;-) |
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| Jul-30-23 | | Saniyat24: Almost, but not quite...! |
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| Jul-30-23 | | Rosbach: I got stuck at 25... Bh4. A beautiful move with a potential amazing mate 26. Kxh2 Bf2+ 27. Qh5 Rxh5# |
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| Jul-31-23 | | vajeer: <Rosbach:> Yep, and also another beautiful line is 26. Rf3 Rh1+ 27. Kxh1 Bf2+ 28. Rh3 Rxh3# |
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sac: 22...Qxd6