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Jules Porges vs Wilhelm Steinitz
Casual game (1874), London ENG
King Pawn Game: Alapin Opening (C20)  ·  1-0



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Sep-27-07  RookFile: Sometimes, you just have laugh at some of Steinitz's games.
Feb-02-08  wouldpusher: Steinitz played well in the opening, until he blundered with 17. ... ♕xe7??. You gotta love the puzzle at White's 18th move.
Mar-23-08  vonKrolock: <9.♗g5> Some interesting lines if black takes now in 'f2' - for instance, 9...♘xf2 10.♕h5 (or 10.♗xd8 ♘xd1 11.♗h4 ♘xb2! etc) 10...♘xh1! 11.♗xd8 fxe4 etc

<17...♕xe7> Yes, black had 17...♖e8! etc and the perspective of playing with ♗♗s pair and a ♙ plus the unsafe white ♔'s position

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  Phony Benoni: I was immediately reminded of this game:

Steinitz vs Chigorin, 1892

<Moritz Porges: Teacher of Champions!>

Feb-04-12  thomastonk: Steinitz's first mistake is already 6.. Ng4. White is better until the premature 11. d6+, but the more important mistakes are 14.Kd2? on White's side and 15.. Nxe7? on Black's. With 15.. Rf4 or 15.. Re8 could simply continue the attack.
Mar-23-12  YoungEd: Hi, <thomastonk>. Why is 14. ♔d2 a mistake? It looks like a necessary preparation for White's upcoming sacrificial idea. I don't know that a normal developing move just as ♘c3 would actually accomplish much in particular? Maybe I'm missing some tactical idea you have in mind.
Mar-24-12  thomastonk: Hi, <YoungEd>. Let's look at the position after 13.. Nc6. Black in fact threatens e4! and Nd4 with a strong attack, say 14.dxc7? e4! followed by Qe5 or Qg6, or 14.Nc3?! Nd4 15.Rh3 Rxf3 or Be6, and Black is fine.

Better choices are 14.Nd2 and 14.Bd5, both defending f3, and 14.Be7. I think the game is balanced in these cases.

However, after 14.Kd2? Black can already get an advantage after 14.. Qg6 Be7 (White has nothing better), with the moves I gave already: 15.. Rf4 or 15.. Re8. Then Black threatens cxd6, and thereafter Be7 is in trouble. So, Black has the initiative.

White's sacrifical idea simply doesn't work, if Black doesn't help so much, i.e., 15.. Nxe7? and 17.. Qxe7??

Mar-24-12  YoungEd: Hi again, <thomastonk>, and thanks. I think I understand most of what you're saying. The sac doesn't really work without Black's cooperation of taking his pieces from the K-side. Since f3 is so vulnerable, maybe 14. Nd2 is best.
Mar-26-13  Abdel Irada: An oddity: Reviewing the games in the <> database using this variation of the Alapin (all two of them), we find that Black plays 6. ...Ng4 rather than recapturing with 6. ...Nxd5, as would seem more natural.

Does anyone know if there's a specific reason for this, as explained in the players' analysis or elsewhere? Was it perhaps done to deter castling by the threat of ...Qh4, with kingside pressure? Otherwise, I see no obvious positional justification.

Mar-26-13  thomastonk: <Abdel Irada> The game has been published in the "Westminster Papers", Vol VII, 1874-75, p 113 with some comments. But 6.. ♘g4 remained uncommented. In "Schachmeister Steinitz" by L. Bachmann, the game is published as no 354, and Bachmann uses the comments of the journal (without saying). For the other game, i.e. K Schorn vs Von Der Lasa, 1837, I haven't found a contemporary source so far.
Jun-12-16  Dhikey: Instead of 17.Qe7?? 17.Re8 was much better..
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  MissScarlett: Harding identifies White as <Jules Porges>, on the assumption he's the same <strong Parisian amateur> whose win over Hoffer (also played at Simpson's Divan) is given in the <Field> of January 24th 1874, p.92. The <Field> only has <Porges> but Harding apparently knows better.
Apr-23-21  Jean Defuse: ...

J Porges vs L Hoffer, 1874


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